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Is Frequent Water Change Necessary If Water Params Are Right


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#41 Bombshocked

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 09:15 AM

also the amount of top up water in an out door AP setup with the plant load being above water i would assume they would absorb alot of the water and your evaporation/top up percentage would be up around 10%-20% per day or second day ?



#42 Riggers

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 11:12 PM

That's why I like this hobby, find what works for you and go with that.. :)

You can't compare systems as there's way too many variables between tanks and setups.. What works for one may not work for another. At the end of the day find a system that works well for your time, budget and ultimately the health of your fish :)

#43 malawiman85

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 06:07 AM

Trial and error...

... wasnt that Dr. Mengle's approach? Trial and error is great as long as you arent the fish when your owner makes an 'error'.

Sorry for the nasty comparison.

#44 Frontosaman

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 08:07 AM

Thanks Malawiman85 for winning the award for most stupid post ever!

So judging by your line of comparison, culling low quality
fish is no different than what Hitler did trying to create a perfect race!??? You kill fish that aren't up to standard, he killed humans.

I understand the point but seriously???? Surely there's a better description.

Aren't we all guilty no matter what? We all keep fish in a glass box!



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#45 malawiman85

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:21 AM

Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying. It was stupid but these trials come at a cost when there is an error.

But the point is why risk perfectly good fish by experimenting... For example, there is a reason why fish tanks get water changes and there is a reason why heavily planted tanks can get away with less maintenance... It is all well documented. The methodologies have all been established.

To me trial and error is a bad practice UNLESS it is based around an advancement of accepted methodologies. 

I think too many noobs experiment before they get a decent grasp on the principles of fish keeping meaning most trials result in error... Thats bad for the noob keeper, the poor fish and the hobby.


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#46 Frontosaman

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:48 AM

Couldn't agree more. I don't think a lot of people realise how crucial water changes in say a African cichlid tank as apposed to a planted American tank etc,


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#47 Riggers

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 12:12 PM

Wow this post took a turn.... Ok so the debate is over frequency of water changes....

THERE ARE TOO MANY VARIABLES TO MAKE ANY KIND OF COMPARISON...

Take into account-
Water temp
Amount of stock
Type of filtration
Type of fish
Frequency of feeding
Type of food
Waste buildup
Filtration size

The list literally goes on and on and on, all this other nonsense is just childish.. The general consensus among fish keepers is that water changes are not only good for your fish but a part of keeping a well maintained tank..

Now 'some' people may find ways IN THERE INDIVIDUAL SETUPS to do something slightly out of the normal that's fine...
At the end of the day if it works for you do it :)

#48 jerlinjames

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 02:17 PM

from all the info given I have come to the conclution that I will be doing a 50% waterchange once a week.  I will also be monitoring the water params to see if more is required.

 

just set up a barrel full of water (to age the water) on some wheels with a pump that will help me with the water changes.



#49 Riggers

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 02:59 PM

Sounds good mate :) the trolley is a great way to go :)

#50 sandgroper

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 11:40 PM

Q. Is frequent water change necessary if water params are right.

A. Only if you want to keep them that way, if you wait for them to go wrong then you will have to play catch up. Meaning you will have to do bigger or more frequent changes to get them right again.



#51 MattyB

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 07:24 AM

I stand by my waterchanges but I know I go overboard, all my tanks get 1 50 percent a week, all fry get 50 percent daily, discus get 2 50s a week, doesn't matter how stocked, (even my bns and pbass get the same treatment) for me its more of a routine and I have neer had a problem. Its all about routine :D

 

also remember cold water changes ARE A GOOD THING, they simulate the wet season and everytime I did do a 50 with cold water my discus used to spawn nearly every time, most goes for americans as well, not 100 precent if the same for Africans but I would guess its the same.



#52 malawiman85

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 08:43 AM

Same, I do 50% + for all my tanks americans, natives and africans. My tanks with bigger fish and bigger bio loads usually get additional smaller changes through the week to reduce the bulk waste.



#53 Androo

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:19 AM

I do 50% weekly religiously, however a word of warning, don't get lazy and stop testing just because your maintainence schedule is tight. I was testing daily for months and had no fluctuation in my water parameters then got lazy and stopped testing as I felt it wasn't neccisary.
After a few months all of a sudden my ph plummeted in every tank causing me to lose all my bacteria resulting in huge ammonia spikes,
If you wanna know what pain is, try having every one of your tanks go poo in a week




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