Terry
Edited by: Terry at: 7/1/04 10:39 pm
PCS & Stuart M. Grant - Cichlid Preservation Fund - Details here
Royal Panaques Withdrawn from sale
Started by Terry, Jun 06 2004 05:59 AM
26 replies to this topic
#1
Terry
-
- PCS Club Member
-
Joined: 15-June 02
Life Member
-
Location: Guildford
Posted 06 June 2004 - 05:59 AM
Male 25cm Female 20cm I can ship anywhere in Aust and I will not separate $2500
Terry
Edited by: Terry at: 7/1/04 10:39 pm
Terry
Edited by: Terry at: 7/1/04 10:39 pm
#3
Kimbo
-
- Forum Member Joined: 08-December 03
-
Location: Ellenbrook, Perth
Posted 07 June 2004 - 03:06 AM
do these guys breed??
#4
Guest_Alan Caboolture_*
Guest_Alan Caboolture_*
-
- Guests Joined: --
Posted 07 June 2004 - 06:56 AM
Yes P nigroliniatus (Royal pleco) is breedable. Any one living north of Rockhampton would be advised to try them.
The do get a bit big though. The breeding fish that I saw were housed in a 10 foot x 5 foot x 3 foot deep out door concrete pond. There were five fish, all over two foot and the biggest (presumed to be the only male) was in excess of 2'6". The pond was stacked with sunken logs, no aeration or filtration, just an overflow standpipe. I have no idea what the water was like. Water changes happened when it rained or if the weather was dry and the level got too low, the pond was topped up and let overflow with water pumped from a creek.
The pond also had three lengths of old clay sewage pipe about 4 foot long and six inches in diameter and because the baby fish were first seen all over one of these pipes the breeder thought that the eggs must have been laid in this.
The diet??? now get this guys,,,, unreal !!!! Chinese cabbage ( which he used to grow) and chook pellets !!!! and what ever else grew naturally in the pond.
When I saw them, the babies just looked like little inch long, dark brown/black bristle nose, no pattern at all. This was some years ago, so where did all those little panaques go??? And any subsequent spawnings ???
Sort of knowing the guy, they probably all ended up back in Germany or the USA.
He also had the only H zebra, and fry, that I have ever seen live in the flesh.
Alan
The do get a bit big though. The breeding fish that I saw were housed in a 10 foot x 5 foot x 3 foot deep out door concrete pond. There were five fish, all over two foot and the biggest (presumed to be the only male) was in excess of 2'6". The pond was stacked with sunken logs, no aeration or filtration, just an overflow standpipe. I have no idea what the water was like. Water changes happened when it rained or if the weather was dry and the level got too low, the pond was topped up and let overflow with water pumped from a creek.
The pond also had three lengths of old clay sewage pipe about 4 foot long and six inches in diameter and because the baby fish were first seen all over one of these pipes the breeder thought that the eggs must have been laid in this.
The diet??? now get this guys,,,, unreal !!!! Chinese cabbage ( which he used to grow) and chook pellets !!!! and what ever else grew naturally in the pond.
When I saw them, the babies just looked like little inch long, dark brown/black bristle nose, no pattern at all. This was some years ago, so where did all those little panaques go??? And any subsequent spawnings ???
Sort of knowing the guy, they probably all ended up back in Germany or the USA.
He also had the only H zebra, and fry, that I have ever seen live in the flesh.
Alan
#5
Kimbo
-
- Forum Member Joined: 08-December 03
-
Location: Ellenbrook, Perth
Posted 07 June 2004 - 05:04 PM
so at the size they are at now they wouldnt be breedable? and probably not breedable in a tank?
#6
mtchye
-
- Validating Joined: 07-September 02
-
Location: Willetton
Posted 07 June 2004 - 05:39 PM
From my understanding they are breedable at that size and age. If you do a search you may be able to find an article on breeding these guys in one of those black tub 'ponds' at around the 25-30cm mark, and from memory the ponds were not huge. Definitely something I'd like to try if I had the money! 
Also not too sure but there may be many 'royal panaque' variants/species that may achieve different max sizes.
Also not too sure but there may be many 'royal panaque' variants/species that may achieve different max sizes.
Visit the:
Perth Cichlid Society Forums
#8
snowfal
-
- Forum Member Joined: 10-May 04
Posted 07 June 2004 - 10:42 PM
Hi, Terry
How long have you have them?
How long have you have them?
#9
Terry
-
- PCS Club Member
-
Joined: 15-June 02
Life Member
-
Location: Guildford
Posted 08 June 2004 - 05:06 AM
I have had them about 5 years and I have not bred them
Terry
Terry
#10
Kimbo
-
- Forum Member Joined: 08-December 03
-
Location: Ellenbrook, Perth
Posted 08 June 2004 - 05:19 AM
what size tank do you keep them in
#11
Terry
-
- PCS Club Member
-
Joined: 15-June 02
Life Member
-
Location: Guildford
Posted 08 June 2004 - 05:54 AM
They spent 4 years in a 6x2x2 and the last year in a 4x2x1.5
when I got them one was 2 inches and the other 2.5 inches
Terry
when I got them one was 2 inches and the other 2.5 inches
Terry
#12
Kimbo
-
- Forum Member Joined: 08-December 03
-
Location: Ellenbrook, Perth
Posted 08 June 2004 - 06:59 AM
have they shown any signs of breedin behaviour before
#13
GrunterT
-
- Forum Member Joined: 08-June 04
Posted 08 June 2004 - 06:08 PM
Terry, Are you sure they are a pair? and the price..... Negotiable?
#14
Terry
-
- PCS Club Member
-
Joined: 15-June 02
Life Member
-
Location: Guildford
Posted 09 June 2004 - 06:40 AM
I did not say they were a pair, I said male & female. There are enough differences in body shape and bristles for me to be 99.9% confident they are male & female.
They have never been given the chance to spawn because they have always had other fish in with them.
The price is fair for the Australian market so I won't negotiate
Terry
They have never been given the chance to spawn because they have always had other fish in with them.
The price is fair for the Australian market so I won't negotiate
Terry
#16
Kimbo
-
- Forum Member Joined: 08-December 03
-
Location: Ellenbrook, Perth
Posted 10 June 2004 - 02:09 AM
terrys from perth
#17
GrunterT
-
- Forum Member Joined: 08-June 04
Posted 10 June 2004 - 09:58 PM
How long does the shipment take from Perth to Sydney?
#18
Guest_Alan Caboolture_*
Guest_Alan Caboolture_*
-
- Guests Joined: --
Posted 11 June 2004 - 12:44 AM
OK, so maybe a lot of you have not had much experience in shipping fish around Australia. You can get door to door overnight anywhere in Australia. I have done it many times.
Alan
Alan
#19
Terry
-
- PCS Club Member
-
Joined: 15-June 02
Life Member
-
Location: Guildford
Posted 11 June 2004 - 05:44 AM
Last month I sent a box of fish to Sydney, they were in the bags less than 12 hours.
Terry
Make it $3000 and I'll deliver.
Terry
Make it $3000 and I'll deliver.
#20
Eartheater
-
- Forum Member Joined: 10-December 03
Posted 11 June 2004 - 07:05 AM
i had fish sent today the fish were in bags for about 14hours due to aae. all are fine.
0 user(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users
