Edited by jakefoster, 22 December 2016 - 09:04 AM.
Eba X Ba
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Posted 19 December 2016 - 04:01 PM
#2
Posted 19 December 2016 - 05:11 PM
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#3
Posted 19 December 2016 - 07:32 PM
'Formally Aequidens pulcher, this fish was suggested to be reclassified in 2012 during the study of Andinoacara rivulatus Stalsbergi and the recently discovered Andinoacara bloombergi.[4] The fish was included into the Andinoacara genus due to the genetic similarity with the new family.
I need to do more research, but doesn't that make these the same species?
#4
Posted 19 December 2016 - 08:49 PM
i have no idea! but i am also trying to do a bit of research nowSo please correct me if I am wrong. But;
'Formally Aequidens pulcher, this fish was suggested to be reclassified in 2012 during the study of Andinoacara rivulatus Stalsbergi and the recently discovered Andinoacara bloombergi.[4] The fish was included into the Andinoacara genus due to the genetic similarity with the new family.
I need to do more research, but doesn't that make these the same species?
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Posted 19 December 2016 - 09:00 PM
Afraid that this is a genetically engineered fish. It's made by taking eggs or sperm from an Electric blue ram and then combining it with the opposite number from a blue acara. After that the fry are line bred until the color is stabilized. This process takes only a handful of generations whereas line breeding can take dozens or even hundreds of generations.
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Posted 20 December 2016 - 06:15 AM
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Posted 20 December 2016 - 08:33 AM
i've actually seen a youtube clip showing the result of this exact cross (eba x ba) and the babies just looked exactly like an original blue acara. like they got none of the electric blueWow, crazy. Genetically engineered designer fish. Makes me curious to see now how these fry would grow out, and which genetics would show dominance etc.
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Edited by jakefoster, 20 December 2016 - 08:34 AM.
#8
Posted 20 December 2016 - 08:55 AM
I have read that if you breed two EBA's together, you do get 100% EBA offspring however.
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Posted 20 December 2016 - 09:36 AM
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Posted 20 December 2016 - 08:22 PM
So please correct me if I am wrong. But;'Formally Aequidens pulcher, this fish was suggested to be reclassified in 2012 during the study of Andinoacara rivulatus Stalsbergi and the recently discovered Andinoacara bloombergi.[4] The fish was included into the Andinoacara genus due to the genetic similarity with the new family.I need to do more research, but doesn't that make these the same species?
Not the same species but the same genus ie like Bolivian butterflies and blue rams - both Microgeophagus but still two different species
#11
Posted 21 December 2016 - 02:09 PM
Hybrids is always a tough one simply because everyone has their own opinion, if the fry looked cool sure I'd chuck one in a display, but to pass them on and sell them as hybrids, doesn't mean the next person will sell them as hybrids... that's where the problem is, no matter how hard you try greedy people wanting a quick buck will ruin it for everyone!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I entirely agree with LexAgate - the origional breeder has all the good intention in the world, but it is the subsequent sellers who can potentially stuff it up for everyone. My personal opinion - breed them, see what transpires, keep a couple for display but dont sell them into the general population.
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Posted 21 December 2016 - 03:44 PM
Edited by jakefoster, 21 December 2016 - 03:46 PM.
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#13
Posted 22 December 2016 - 07:06 AM
Enjoy the process and keep us posted.
I am interested from an academic/learning stand point. It will be interesting to see how the fry turn out and whether any straight out look like dad. Or whether they all look like mum. I'd then be interested to see whether breeding the offspring together have any chance of producing EBA again. I pressume it to be likely you'd have to hope you got the proponent of the offspring which are EBA gene carriers.
Also to clarify and recap for others, jake lists the EBA as Andinocara pulcher and the BA as Aequidens pulcher in his first post, after some research it seems what was Aequidens pulcher was reclassified to Andinocara Pulcher in 2012. So both fish are Andinocara pulcher. Jake then found another excerpt which suggests that the EBA are in fact a genetically modified BA where they took the eggs/sperm of an Electric Blue Ram and spliced them to the alleles which align on the acara for the Electric blue. The resultant offspring were then bred back to BA and line bred until they bred true for the Electric Blue gene.
Edited by Hood, 22 December 2016 - 07:14 AM.
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Posted 22 December 2016 - 08:45 AM
well hood if they turn out nice and u do decide u'd like one for a display fish i'll deliver and u can pay me in chillies! haha.
quite an impressive selection u have grown!
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