18 replies to this topic

[ozjayok]

Anyone seen the German blue rams down at City Barn Malaga? Are these rams "modified" or natural. Thanks

[Mr_docfish]

Blue Rams are a modified version, not a natural one, but it breeds true...... how much are they? Aquotix have them and there are plenty of pairs pairing up looking to find a place to breed.....

Edited by Mr_docfish, 26 February 2011 - 08:36 PM.

[Krystal]

You guys are talking about Neon blue rams......not your typical Blue or even 'german' blue rams.

[tha_krust]

must say they look unreal

[Ronny]

"German" ones are what they call rams with a bit more blue and normally stockier body, these ones can be bred.

I've heard the neons are infertile, they don't occur naturally.

Personally, I would prefer good quality natural rams, but they're even harder to find lol

[Mr_docfish]

Woops... Thanks Krystal.. I thought Oz was talking about Neon blues..... which breed true, they are not infertile - they are just selectively bred....

Edited by Mr_docfish, 26 February 2011 - 09:25 PM.

[ozjayok]

$30 each

On the aquarium it described them as German blue rams. And they were very "electric blue". About 5cms long.

Looked pretty much the way Ronny described them.

Edited by ozjayok, 26 February 2011 - 09:38 PM.

[tranced]

the 'neon blue rams' die alot, treat them like an EBJD... with caution!

[ozjayok]

ebjd - electric blue jack dempsey? are they modified too?

[Mr_docfish]

The German type (not necessarily bred in Germany) is strongly coloured with a deep body:



and the Neon Type is almost solid blue:




Some breeders only sell males, so this gives the impression that they are infertile

They are not any where near as genetically weak as EBJD, and the case of dying easily can be said for any local bred ram that comes in contact with imported rams - they sometimes carry a virus that kills within weeks.... giving this same impression.... I know of a guy that we get the Neon Blue Rams from, and we have no trouble keeping them and he has no trouble breeding them... we have them for $19ea.....

Edited by Mr_docfish, 26 February 2011 - 09:56 PM.

[Ronny]

Difference between EBJDs and EBRs is EB dempseys are a genetic variation and can occur in the wild where as eb Rams are line bred and do not occur naturally.

[Sarah Jayne]

arnt they line bred? not modified?

[sydad]

arnt they line bred? not modified?

Muddy thinking. How do imagine "modification" occurs?

Line bred refers to selecting specific traits, often arising as mutations, and perpetuating these traits by breeding from both males and females that come closest to showing the desired morph.
Mendelian inheritance factors influence the degree of success in line breeding: though most true mutations can be "fixed".

Syd.

[Kieran]

Interesting. I think I understand what you mean by "fixed" and if so: How can mendelian logic be overcome and a mutation be fixed in fry of fish with a specific desirable morph?

[sydad]

Interesting. I think I understand what you mean by "fixed" and if so: How can mendelian logic be overcome and a mutation be fixed in fry of fish with a specific desirable morph?

Of course Mendelian inheritance rules cannot be "overcome". I'm indulging in muddy expression myself.
What I am referring to is that mutations are by definition, modifications to the genetic coda: as such, mutations breed true (within Mendelian inheritance laws), and populations become established to reflect this; hence "modified".

Syd.

[Westie]

I like the german type, the neon look too fake

[ibm450]

is any one breeding these ?

neons and the germans?

had the bolivian butterflies but were very aggressive at each other and very territorial so i gave up on them and got the blue rams i think they are.

they look like the b/b but have more blue speks and red eyes and a bit more yellow (juniors)

i really like the look of the german rams. any one have / breed these?

[ibm450]

bump............any one selling german rams? please PM they look REAL cool!!

[Mr_docfish]

Got some German Blues in stock now @ Aqutoix - bred in Victoria, really nice these ones...