78 replies to this topic

[bigjohnnofish]

keep an eye out on the news next day or two if your a dog owner.... more so if you own a pitbull....
cant say anymore at this stage...

Edited by bigjohnnofish, 12 December 2012 - 01:11 AM.

[MadDocker]

Not this again... News reporting every dog attack as "pitbull" even when the dogs are hardly ever actual pitbulls have a lot to answer for.

Punish the deed, not the breed.

[Kimbo]

BSL stuff?

[Stacey89]

I dont get to watch the news on night shift!
the susspense! you will have to update ...

[bigjohnnofish]

sorry cant say much more at the moment - media has been gagged by the cops till further notice... but its serious...

[Johno1982]

As an owner of a pit ill for 12 years I say that the owners should be held accountable and destroyed not the animal. There is no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners/trainers. It's ok for us to have a bad day but not an animal?

[Leigh]

I am assuming that all resonable people will agree that some breeds of dogs are by nature more agressive than others? As a general rule - I would be much more comfortable with my daughter playing with a golden retriever than a pitbull.
Common sense extends that these breed's will then be more likely to be involved in the sorts of attacks we see every so often. Bit hard to have much of a discussion without knowing what is coming up - but what level of agression is acceptable in an animal without some sorts of extra layers of protection applied.
Just to be clear, I am not aligned either way - but think it's a pretty important discussion to have.

[Johno1982]

More people have been bitten by German shepards, border collies, kelpies, retrievers, and heelers than pitbulls granted they are far stronger than most dogs but irrisponsable dog owners get people bitten I have a family of 4 all under 10 my pitbull has protected them all and never been aggressive towards any member of my family as I'm the alpha which is important with any animal.

[MadDocker]

I don't think it's so much the aggression as the potential for damage if something happens.

Pure Pitbulls have been bred for generations to be dog aggressive (attack other dogs) but not human aggressive (don't attack humans). Main reason for this was the dog handlers involved in dog fights needed to be able to control their dogs and be in the pit without being mauled. Pitbulls crave human attention just like staffys and they are typically unlikely to bite a human and would prefer to play. This is also a major reason why the dogs aren't used for security, guarding etc. Dogs like Dobermans, German Shepherds & Rottis have been breed as guarding type dogs for just as long and this makes them easier to train.

Accidents unfortunately happen sometimes even with dogs trained properly. On the other hand, some people shouldn't be allowed dogs at all and treat them poorly which is a recipe for disaster.

Big difference between getting attacked by a beagle or a pitbull is the strength and damage they can cause once they get going.

Edited by MadDocker, 13 December 2012 - 12:41 PM.

[Johno1982]

Agreed however they orinally were used as rescue dogs in the war actually it's human corruption that found other uses for breeds of dogs.

[Bickley]

The lady that cleans my dog has been doing it for 15 years and has only been bitten twice by a jack russel and some other little thing think she said shitzu. She also has a client with 4 rotties and reckons she loves cleaning them because there such well behaved friendly dogs but admitted first time she pulled up to the house and seen them all through the gate packed herself lol yes a rotti or pitty can cause more damage then a shitzu but so can all larger dogs does that mean we ban them all ? You should no your dog and no what precautions you should take. The owner should be held accountable for any damage there dog causes just like a parent is responsible for there kids

[MadDocker]

Fitting?

[werdna]

The problem with statistics is that they can be twisted whatever way people want.

How many, border collies, kelpies, retrievers, and heelers have killed or mauled people?

Do a google news search on Pit Bull attack limiting results to 1 month, you get 41 PAGES of results
There are constant reports of Pit Bulls attacking another dog, then turning on the owners when they try to save their pet.

Lets see what wikipedia says on the issue:

A 9-year (1979–88) review of fatal dog attacks in the United States determined that, of the 101 attacks in which breed was recorded, pit bulls were implicated in 42 of those attacks (41.6%).[31] A 1991 study found that 94% of attacks on children by pit bulls were unprovoked, compared to 43% for other breeds.[32] A 5-year (1989–94) review of fatal dog attacks in the United States determined that pit bulls and pit bull mixed breeds were implicated in 24 (28.6%) of the 84 deaths in which breed was recorded.[33]

A 15-year (1991–2005) review of dog attack fatalities investigated by the Kentucky Medical Examiner determined that pit bulls were implicated in 5 of the 11 fatal attacks (45.4%).[34] Another 15-year (1994–2009) review of patients admitted to a Level I Trauma Center with dog bites determined that pit bulls were involved in most of these attacks: of the 228 patients treated, the breed of dog was recorded in 82 attacks, and of these, 29 (35%) attacks were attributed to pit bulls. All other dogs combined accounted for the remaining 65% of attacks.[35] In 44.8% of the attacks, the dog belonged to the victim's family.[35] The authors state:

Attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs. Strict regulation of pit bulls may substantially reduce the US mortality rates related to dog bites.[35]

One 5-year (2001–05) review of dog attack victims admitted to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia determined that pit bull terriers were implicated in more than half of bites. Of the 551 patients treated, breed was identified in 269 cases. Of these 269 patients, 137 (50.9%) were attacked by pit bulls.[36] The authors write:

the overwhelming number of bites involving pit bull terriers in this study and others certainly has some degree of validity when it comes to identifying bite-prone breeds. Pit bull terriers, German shepherds, and Rottweilers were the offending breeds implicated in our study and have accounted for the majority of dog bites according to other investigators.[36]

One review of the medical literature found that pit bulls and pit bull cross-breeds were involved in between 42 and 45% of dog attacks.[37] Fatalities were most often reported in children, with 70% of victims being under the age of 10.[37] Some studies that have been performed on the number of human deaths caused by dog bite trauma have surveyed news media stories for reports of dog bite-related fatalities. This methodology is subject to several potential sources of error: some fatal attacks may not have been reported; a study might not find all of the relevant news reports; and the potential for misidentification of dog breeds,[2] although courts in the United States[38][39] and Canada[40][41] have ruled that expert identification, when using published breed standards, is sufficient for the enforcement of breed-specific legislation. It is possible to distinguish dogs by breed using DNA testing,[41] but test results for any one dog can vary widely depending upon the laboratory that performs the test and the number of purebred dog breeds in the laboratory's DNA database.[42]

Andrew

[MadDocker]

Labrador/jack russel/etc attacks often go unreported in the media. It is also very common for mixed breed dogs or even pure breed dogs to be labelled as "pitbulls" in media reports when they are clearly not pitbulls because it is sensationalist and sells stories. There were multiple reports of "pitbull attacks" this year that ended up being mastiffs etc.

It skews the statistics and doesn't give a true representation.

Edited by MadDocker, 13 December 2012 - 01:29 PM.

[werdna]

Fatal dog attacks in US from 1988-2012

Jack Russell = 1
Labrador = 11
Pit Bull = >100

http://en.wikipedia....eported_in_2012

Where is the skew in these statistics?

[Kimbo]

The skew is that its from wikipedia

[werdna]

Here is a nice summary from the above page

News organizations reported 29 fatal dog attacks in the United States in 2005. The dog breed most commonly reportedly involved in these attacks were pit bulls (13 attacks), followed by Rottweilers (6 attacks)
News organizations reported 29 fatal dog attacks in the United States in 2006. The dog breed most commonly reportedly involved in these attacks were pit bulls (12 attacks), followed by Rottweilers (9 attacks)
News organizations reported 34 fatal dog attacks in the United States in 2007. The dog breed most commonly reportedly involved in these attacks were pit bulls (15 attacks), followed by Rottweilers (4 attacks)
News organizations reported 23 fatal dog attacks in the United States in 2008. The dog breed most commonly reportedly involved in these attacks were pit bull-type dogs (11 attacks), followed by Huskies (3 attacks)
News organizations reported 30 fatal dog attacks in the United States in 2009. The dog breed most commonly reportedly involved in these attacks were pit bull-type dogs (11 attacks), followed by Rottweilers (4 attacks)
News organizations reported 33 fatal dog attacks in the United States in 2010. The dog breed most commonly reportedly involved in these attacks were pit bull-type dogs (18 attacks), followed by Rottweilers (4 attacks)
News organizations reported 16 fatal dog attacks in the United States in 2011. The dog breed most commonly reportedly involved in these attacks were pit bull-type dogs (11 attacks)
News organizations have reported 31 fatal dog attacks in the United States in 2012. The dog breed most commonly reportedly involved in these attacks were pit bull-type dogs (18 attacks, not including mixes)

[MadDocker]

Don't dispute that an attacking pitbull is more likely to kill then an attacking jack russell.

The skew in statistics would be how many of the reported pitbull attacks were from actual pitbulls and not a mixed breed/different breed altogether that has been misreported because it sells papers.

http://www.pitbullso...ll/findpit.html

Edited by MadDocker, 13 December 2012 - 01:43 PM.

[werdna]

Fine then.
Ban every dog that looks like a pit bull.
They are responsible for ~50% of all fatal attacks anyway.

[MadDocker]

Ban every hobby fish. They are the ones that get into the waterways anyway.

Ban every car. They are the ones that get into crashes anyway.

Ban every Policeman. They are the ones who abuse their power anyway.

etc.