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#1 chocky

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Posted 06 October 2016 - 08:14 AM

https://youtu.be/J7jrNf3GUlU

i spoke to a couple people at the last meeting on how to tell if your female is holding. ive never bred any mouth brooders before so just wanted to get your opinions, & if she is holding, what i should do?

#2 Spiesie

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Posted 06 October 2016 - 12:12 PM

Does seem like it, unless she has a big mouthful of food (looks like you were feeding them). But if her mouth looked full before you started feeding, then yes, she is holding.

 

With my fish, I would usually let nature takes it course the first few times the female holds as this gets her used to doing it. If you strip her early, she might never get the hang of it and just spit early all the time.

 

After that I would usually wait around the 17-20day since the spawn and then strip the female. At this stage they will most likely be free swimming and you can put them in a fry saver (in the same tank as the parents) and then when they are a bit bigger, put them in their own tank.

 

Google how to strip a holding cichlid. Plenty of good videos.

 

Last but not least. Good work on getting these guys to spawn. Definitely a species we need to see more around.



#3 sandgroper

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Posted 06 October 2016 - 12:25 PM

That's a good way to tell if your not sure, feed them if she refuses to eat then it's 99.9% certain that she is holding.



#4 Peckoltia

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Posted 06 October 2016 - 12:35 PM

Also keep in mind that some holding females will take in small particles of food, especially towards the end. This is particularly prevalent when feeding a flake food. 



#5 Mattia

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Posted 06 October 2016 - 12:35 PM

Yep, she's holding! :)
Good job!
You should try and save the fries as there isn't many Red Caps around that good looking ;)

#6 chocky

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Posted 06 October 2016 - 02:38 PM

ah awesome :) 

yeah i thought so! i fed the food to show all the others were eating happily but that one would just swim around but ignore it. 

 

I have no idea when was they spawned though... 

should i just take her out and put her in her own tank or would that just be too stressful?

 

would be a shame if the other fish ate the fry :(



#7 LexAgate

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Posted 06 October 2016 - 03:31 PM

You can seperate the fish to a whole different tank or with a divider (risky)!

For the first couple of times leave them to it so they can figure out what they are doing...

Personally I would prefer to leave the female to care for her kids rather than stripping... here are the major pro's and cons...

Stripping:
Pros: increased hatch rate (usually)
Easier to bring up and care for
Cons: fry have change of not knowing how to bring up their own fry (reduced instinct habits)
Can prevent the mother from spitting her fry (eats them under stress)

Naturally:
Pros: magnified instinct habits
Mother raises stronger/smarter fry (survival of the fittest *kinda)

Cons:
Lower hatch rate (usually)
Rarely (mother eats fry and continues to eat eggs after spawn) happens very rarely but have seen it happen once....


So leave her to it for the first couple of times so they know what's going on!

Hopefully that made sense I'm rushing and threw my grammar out the window!


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#8 chocky

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Posted 06 October 2016 - 06:32 PM

Another question..
is this a male or female? (the one in front...)

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#9 Mattia

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Posted 06 October 2016 - 07:23 PM

Two boys !

#10 Poncho

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Posted 06 October 2016 - 10:03 PM

Very cool fish chocky- good to hear they're starting to breed for you :)

#11 Mattia

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Posted 06 October 2016 - 11:19 PM

Try to get another female - Lethrinops are always better with at least 2 girls for 1 boy.... just like Italians :P :D

#12 chocky

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Posted 06 October 2016 - 11:58 PM

aw man when he started showing color i was still trying to convince myself it was a female :lol:

Edited by chocky, 06 October 2016 - 11:58 PM.


#13 Buccal

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Posted 07 October 2016 - 04:49 AM

Something I found out about these, when raising 80 or more at any given time, including adults,, is that every second or third week, still feed daily but reduce feed for everyday of that week.
Either their digestive system and stomach processes tick this way or could be it needs more specific protein types.
Once you strike the balance or hit the sweet spot with these, the red is amazing, and all those intricate colors and irredescent gleems start flashing.
They're always happier with very fine sand or sand, and they are excellent cleaning crew (substrate turn over).

#14 Ronny

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Posted 07 October 2016 - 06:19 AM

Great looking fish.

 

Interesting set up. Is that some kind of shrimp substrate or ADA?



#15 chocky

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Posted 07 October 2016 - 09:54 AM

Great looking fish.

 

Interesting set up. Is that some kind of shrimp substrate or ADA?

 

This tank is actually my aquascape comp tank so its meant to have more plants in it lol

Yeah its just ADA amazon soil with ADA colorado sand. well.. the sand was meant to be in the centre and on top, but the red caps saw to it and now its all mixed up 

if i was just doing the red caps with no plants, i wouldh ave stuck to just sand lol 






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