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[Just Drive]

What's the difference between a starlight bristlenose and a peppermint bristlenose? or are they just synonyms?

[Bombshocked]

probably a few grand

[dori]

probably a few grand

+1

[Just Drive]

so the only difference is cost? that doesn't make any sense..............

[aquacouple]

I don't believe you can get 'starlight' bristlenose in Australia. but if you can they would be expensive. Starlights white tip on the tail stays white, while peppermints tail looses the white once it grows. Peppermints are sort of the Australian version of starlights, for a lot less money!

[Just Drive]

thanks that helps a bit more, are peppermint bristles a different species from starlight bristles? I've heard (can't source it) that peppermint bristlenose catfish are a hybrid between a starlight bristlenose and a common bristlenose, is that true?

[bigjohnnofish]

false... peppermints and common bristlenose dont/cant interbreed... 

 

the peppermint b/n we have is a variation on the starlight pleco... i have seen a couple peppermint b/n keep their white seam till about 10cm before it faded away...

[Bombshocked]

i once had a dream of getting starlights

[Ronny]

false... peppermints and common bristlenose dont/cant interbreed... 

 

 

 

Yes they can.

[Kleinz]

Pix or it didn't happen...

[bigjohnnofish]

exactly kleinz... its never been done in the history of fish keeping and anyone who usually says otherwise hasnt kept pepps and commons long enough to know...

 

the fiasco with the so called peppermint longfin is a white elephant... 

 

the only other bristlenose a pepp may have been cross bred with is an orange spot... and there isnt pics to confirm that either.... although it did come from some old school fish breeders....

[Ronny]

You've seen the pics.

 

The longfin peppermint was confirmed to be a longfin comon crossed with peppermint.

[bigjohnnofish]

i have 3 mates over east who have seen the fish in the flesh and have told me privately it is only a common longfin... they didnt want to tell vicki so not to offend her as she paid too much for it.... and was scammed.... 

 

those pics dont confirm anything....  so who actually confirmed it ronny ??? 

[JackMack]

@Johnno

You said on the thread that zacyboy posted that there was the odd chance that someone had maybe used hormones to induce breeding between a common l/f and a peppermint.
I haven't got a clue whether or not that's possible but I was wondering whether you think it's possibly that it is the "one off fish that appears to be what it is said to be...."?
Also, I'm not sure about you guys but I noticed a bit of an orange tinge to some of those spots..
 

(I'm not having a go, I'm just curious as to what the hell that thing is)

Cheers.

[Ronny]

John from The Tech Den has confirmed seeing longfin peppermints that were crossed with peppermint and longfins.
I suspect if they were crossed, the resulting fry would still have a mixed look to them.

 

The one in those photos definitely doesn't look like your average longfin bristlenose.

I've never seen a longfin bristle nose with spotted fins like that.

[Just Drive]

Who's Vicki?..............interspecific hybrids aren't unheard of, but this (according to Wikipedia) rarely happens and the offspring are mostly infertile.

[bigjohnnofish]

vicki is the owner of the longfin in question... 

 

the tiny orange spots on the fry maybe cause its an orange spot bn fry... or someones playing silly buggers on photoshop!

 

there are several people line breeding peppermints to get longer fins... i know a couple of them and they are both in queensland and results are very slow as 5 generations is roughly 10 years work.... one must also remember peppermints have slightly longer fins than common b/n anyway to start with...

 

theres a few bullshitters in queensland too not naming names as this is negative feedback and isnt allowed... but claims of red, blue, green, claro etc etc varieties short finned and long finned as well as the peppermint longfin are thrown around all the time and until you actually see them with your own eyes you musn't believe too much... there is a hell of a lot of competition and bragging going on within this group of people.... it does create issues on queensland forums too as you'll know ronny as you prob get on them too and read all the banter and propagander they create....

 

if you have seen a peppermint longfin as a fry it would have an awesome white seam on its fins that would be unmistakeable... thats the proof i'd be happy with.... 

you also have to remember theres a lot of money involved with rarer fish and telling fibs to create hype about fish to raise its value happens too often...

 

finallly i will say its not totally impossible but highly improbable that a common b/n l/f has been cross bred with peppermint... but for the average hobbyist keeping b/n it wont happen....

Edited by bigjohnnofish, 25 December 2013 - 01:11 AM.

[Ronny]

I said they can as you simply said they can't which is incorrect. Wether it be via hormones or not, the two different species CAN produce fry.

 

My point still stands, common BNs do not have spotted fins like the one in those pictures so it's not a pure BN and doesn't look like a pure peppermint....

[bigjohnnofish]

i will try and dig out some old pics of some longfins that look very much the same.....

[Just Drive]

there are quite a few species of Bristlenose that have fine white spots. (mostly only on the face though)