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#21 bigjohnnofish

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 02:08 AM

when trying to stop or solve a problem - you go to the source and stop it there..... gee if your in a dinghy and you discover water in the boat - what do you do... bale the water out or do you look for the leak and plug it before baling out the water.... ???

 

so paul - what seems to be happening is they are now trying to swoop on the end game because they failed to stop them coming into australia... 

 

if none of these shrimp or fish were let into the country in the first place they wouldnt be trying to attack the end game.... no-one would be buying any of this stuff as it wouldnt be here... if this stuff was never in australia no-one would want it.... seems a bit catch 22 ish... 

 

i would have thought securing external borders so nothing comes in would be far easier... only 2 ways stuff gets here... it walks or swims lol hahaha just kidding.... it comes by plane or by boat... and in my thinking boats take too long to get anywhere... so they are coming in by plane... dont they have xray and scanning machines, not to mention sniffer dogs etc at international airports...... 

 

Gotta remember Perth/SW water ways are not the best for all these types of fish but Up north in the warner waters some of these noxious fish will flourish.

 

i agree with you... temp is prob biggest determining fact for survival of any fish...  maybe its time to divide WA into upper wa and lower wa that way certain species can be kept in lower wa and not in upper wa and vice versa... much like what happens state to state....



#22 malawiman85

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 11:33 AM

Johnno, thats the point of a translocation permit and subsequent Risk Assessment with native fish. Problem is its too hard for them to administer... By rights tropical exotic fish that aren't noxious and natives should be allowed to be imported to WA with a permit... Permits get rejected  out of hand though because no one has challenged the legitimacy of the grounds for rejection. They can only reject a permit if there is a   

The law facilitates case by case decisions based on risk but fisheries just dont play by the rules. I agree with Paul, dont antagonise them but the problem is this group of stakeholders feels that we are being antagonised.



#23 werdna

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 01:54 PM

Has anyone here applied for a translocation permit?

I haven't had an issue getting mine approved



#24 Morley Aquariums

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:31 PM

After the visit i had from the biosecurity division of WA fisheries on sunday i certainly get the impression they are serious about stamping out the trade of smuggled tankbusters & shrimp. They are really targeting fish coming in from the east rather than existing fish. They cannot prevent the smuggling that occurs outside WA borders, so they are drawing the line there. Translocation permits can be applied for, but if it is for arowana, birchir, ray, giant gourami etc very unlikely to be granted. If no permit it will almost certainly be seized. Shrimp are just an absolute no go as far as they are concerned.
Cichlids & other commonly kept stuff not bothering then too much ( at this stage?). Hard to enquire further as asking questions can raise their interest & end up with a negative outcome. As mentioned a real catch 22, trying to do the right thing may end up with a permit request being denied.

#25 bigjohnnofish

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 03:02 AM

Johnno, thats the point of a translocation permit and subsequent Risk Assessment with native fish. Problem is its too hard for them to administer... By rights tropical exotic fish that aren't noxious and natives should be allowed to be imported to WA with a permit... Permits get rejected  out of hand though because no one has challenged the legitimacy of the grounds for rejection. They can only reject a permit if there is a   

The law facilitates case by case decisions based on risk but fisheries just dont play by the rules. I agree with Paul, dont antagonise them but the problem is this group of stakeholders feels that we are being antagonised.

 

i dont have a problem with authority as long as the rules are written in black and white and plain english even a person with an iq at the lower range of normal {80} can understand.... when you start looking into the regulations and laws and bylaws and this overides all over schedules as long as it is for ornamental use only providing a translocation permit has been obtained but if only your transporting less than 20 of the same species and under the overall total of 1000 and they must be double bagged with double elastic brand lacky bands with water temp not exceeding 30 degrees on a sunny day in winter when rain is due the following day... but only if your birthday falls between mothers day and fathers day and you have brown hair and your wife is younger than you with blonde hair and large ears and is wearing bright red lipstick and has a leopard skin hand bag containing $1000.00 in crisp brand new $100 bills unfolded with sequential numbers and has a samsung 5 smart phone tuned into the local wifi watching westcoast thrash fremantle whilst it is snowing on your grandfathers birthday :)  

 

ffs if they dont want shrimp in WA put them on the friggin noxious list - end of friggin dramas for everybody involved... send the appropriate literature to all fish and pet shops pertaining to the new noxious list and give the public an amnesty period....  that would save the state government 1000's of $$$$$$ ya know what im gonna ring the minister of fisheries tomorrow {if i remember lol} what do you reckon the chances are i will be able to get to talk to the minister ??? yeah i guess it'll be zero... why did i bother - i'll get back in my box... :agreed: any body got a beer?  :cheers:



#26 malawiman85

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 05:57 AM

Nice rant Johnno. Cant argue with that.

#27 ruffaz

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Posted 21 December 2014 - 10:54 PM

From what I can gather the legislation specifically is talking about importing in to Australia.

How would this affect fish that are already in Australia that are not on the noxious list ?

Legally I could import from other states according to the legislation ?

#28 Androo

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 08:35 AM

Not that iv read the whole thread however I'm pretty sure they could seize any fish because technically you didn't lodge a translocation form

#29 Mr_docfish

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 02:09 PM

But depending on who you ask in fisheries - even the translocation officer herself... From my perspective, you don't need translocation aproval for ornamentals... But the little umpalumpas with shiny badges that come knocking will insist that you need to register your underwear colour with them before you think of keeping little things like endler guppies.... ;)

#30 Frontosaman

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Posted 22 December 2014 - 07:56 PM

Just ring up quarantine book an inspection and go pick fish up, it's that simple, non permits needed


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#31 ruffaz

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Posted 30 December 2014 - 05:20 PM

Any more info guys

#32 malawiman85

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Posted 31 December 2014 - 07:03 AM

Qarantine has nothing to do with fisheries or fisheries legislation. Quarantine officers arent interested in what species you bring in.
If you get randomly inspected by fisheries and there is no permit you wont have such a great experience.
Depending on what it is of course.

#33 Frontosaman

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Posted 31 December 2014 - 10:47 AM

Fair enough, I'm just talking from my recent experiences shipping fish into WA that's all


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