Wa Fisheries On A Rampage To Rid Wa Of Shrimp
Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:50 PM
If you wonder how serious they are about prawns & shrimp, just do a quick google search on imported prawns & virus or any other wording. There is plenty of concern & restrictions as well as results of outbreaks if infections caused by these in the past. This actually has very little to do with our shrimp as all cases are salt water specimens imported as food or bait. It is up to us to co operate with them & prove to them that our pets should not be lumped in with these genuine risks.
Remember any political attacks will not gain favour as (& i repeat this again & again & again), these exotics are smuggled into this county illegally in huge numbers. None have ever been brought in legally at all. No politician would be prepared to defend them or those that keep them.
In respect to the native glass shrimp, as far as i am concerned not allowing legal collection & domestic breeding is nuts. Same applies to all our local natives. This ensures that they will never become threatened as they will be conserved in home tanks making repopulation after environmental disasters is possible. My opinion is the same on all marsupials, birds & reptiles. Hobbyists are the most dedicated individuals & will put time, effort & funds into an individual, non threatened animal that is just not possible in zoos or universities.
Posted 24 April 2013 - 01:40 AM
if you wanted to collect glass shrimps - and you have an inland freshwater fishing licence, your bag limit is 10 (under Schedule 3 of the Regulations - Bag limits - Other Crustacean species not specified above)
so does that mean i can collect 10 glass shrimp with an inland fishing licence and then keep them in my tank and breed them up in larger numbers to use as feeders ???
could i then sell off excess feeders if i had them ???
Posted 24 April 2013 - 07:25 AM
Posted 24 April 2013 - 07:45 AM
My opinion is leave it, it will blow over.. if we make it a bigger issuse by taking it to media etc,
then they will probly make it harder to keep any fish.. which is what paul and ollie have been saying..
Posted 24 April 2013 - 08:47 AM
could i then sell off excess feeders if i had them ???
Well, no you still cant sell them, if you do, only 10 every 24 hours, as bag limits and possession limits are the same (unless you are breeding them, you can possess more than 10, but if you are transporting them, you will have an impossible time convincing the fisheries that you bred them all and just caught them....)
But you dont need an aquaculture licence or a translocation licence.
It is all a grey area within the act - fisheries can twist the words and situation to suit their needs - like the senior fisheries officer that was in my face and was lying through his teeth at me said the following "you buy shrimp from the public and you sell them, that makes you a wholesaler"
Well, what is the definition of a wholesaler vs a retailer?
If you ask fisheries, they have a different interpretation to the rest of the world...
One more bit:
You dont need an inland fishing licence for glass shrimp if you collect them from a designated estuary.
Edited by Mr_docfish, 24 April 2013 - 08:49 AM.
Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:19 PM
Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:55 PM
Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:58 PM
Survival of glassies caught in salty water is dismal, caught far upstream (10-20ks +) survive better.
Posted 24 April 2013 - 07:04 PM
Posted 24 April 2013 - 08:29 PM
Why's that? Is there a disease that the prawns in the river pass on to the glassies?
According to fisheries, the glassies will wipe out when you put a cherry next to it - or do you think it would be the other way around?
Edited by Mr_docfish, 24 April 2013 - 08:29 PM.
Posted 25 April 2013 - 12:36 AM
ok heres some different colours of cherry shrimp i found googling looking for glass shrimp v cherry shrimp
now this is a mean shrimp
love this stingray feeding on glass shrimp
hows this glass/ghost shrimp feeding on malaysian trumpet snail - hmmm i like this
something else eating snails
big puffer eating snails.... ... can we get these puffers in australia olley or anybody else ?
finally found one olley.... ghost shrimp (glass shrimp) eating yellow cherry shrimp so there you have it took awhile on the google train and got side tracked...
so the answer is yes glass shrimp eat cherry shrimp
Posted 25 April 2013 - 08:19 PM
I've been keeping WA glass shrimp with all other types of shrimps for years, there is no interaction issues, no cross disease issues, they live fine next to all other shrimp types, ignore them even.
The main issue is temperature, WA glass shrimp (Palaemonetes Australis) are less resistant to temps above 22 degrees, although I've successfully kept them for more than a year in large community tanks full of fish and many varietys of shrimp and summer temps often where 28 plus.
The only small fish I found them scared of is western Pygmy perch, but then western Pygmy perch totally destroy any shrimp up to there own size or even larger. Cherry shrimp don't stand a chance against western Pygmy perch.
The only shrimp that somehow manages to beat the western Pygmy perch is the West Australian chameleon shrimp, that aqoutix where selling renamed as ninja shrimp. These guys can hide and survive in amazing situations far better than cherrys, they are West Aussies afterall.
Our glass shrimp is typically found alongside both western goby ,swan river goby and western hardyhead. it is often found alongside western galaxias and sometimes common jollytails. Also nightfish. It is found with western Pygmy perch but usually where the perch are in fewer numbers. While I have found both galaxiella species and lepidogalaxias within the same water catchment I've not found them alongside Palaemonetes Australis.
It's worth considering fisheries do not care at all about our native ornamental species, because these bring them no money, they don't secure there jobs. Introduced aquaculture species generate money to keep them in jobs. Native marron are the only native species that generates concernable funds to keep hold of fisheries jobs. If a aquarium species could potentially effect fisheries income or upset a major stakeholder, then of course they will act. I guess the question is what stakeholder did the cherry shrimp upset.
Edited by Juls, 25 April 2013 - 09:01 PM.
Posted 25 April 2013 - 08:24 PM
Reminds me of that Simpsons episode with "Pinchy the lobster"
How we see shrimp:
How "They" see shrimp:
Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:23 AM
Edited by Androo, 01 May 2013 - 08:24 AM.
Posted 01 May 2013 - 05:42 PM
Supposedly there were 4 'private' residences which have had warrants served. They phoned today and met me at work to discuss. I advised them I was aware of their actions, and explained to them the general feeling (taken predominantly from this feed/blog) about how cloak & dagger this has all been.
I asked how it had all come about and in brief, according to Fisheries, (summary not verbatim): ornamental shrimp not endemic (native) to Australia were originally brought in illegally around 7 years ago. Numbers have recently gotten sufficiently high to warrant national fisheries attention - including large numbers of continuing imports from overseas. Hence crack-down. In order for federal fisheries to issue a warrant in WA they're accompanied by WA fisheries...who have subsequently been instructed to shut down any sellers.
The 'legislative changes' aren't changes - per earlier in this post, the CEO of Fisheries can if they decide any species is a risk to native populations issue a warrant to have the illegal species destroyed. The only 'change' coming about, which is supposedly going to happen in 3 or so weeks, is that the term Aquahobbyist, will cease to exist and ANYONE who breeds and then sells a non-native species, must have a TRANSLOCATION licence per current Aquaculture laws.
The thing I've hated most about all this is - I just bought cherry's originally from my local fish shop. At no point was I advised they were 'illegal'. Yet I feel I've been treated like a criminal. And then to top it off, my 'pet' will be killed because it's illegal and a risk. I told them I'd checked their website, checked the invasive species list...no information.
Wouldn't the 'right' thing to do be to treat us as responsible parties in the first instance, advertise this change in stance and consult with people about how to proceed....rather than knocking on people's door with a warrant and 5 people with a video camera? Talk about intimidating. And then it's supposed to be 'ok' because they aren't prosecuting us??
Horse bolted/lock the barn door...?? Seems all little too late, and that there are much broader issues. Just getting rid of the term Aquahobbyist is not going to solve things, you’re then basically lumping a kid with an aquarium in with a commercial marron farm?! And as I saw someone else had mentioned – they’re not aquarium specialists, by their own admission, so again I say: wouldn’t a reasonable starting point be to consult with people about whether or not they pose a risk to native species?
I asked whether cherry shrimp / ornamental shrimp were now classed as an invasive species/illegal/whatever you want to call it, in ALL states and was advised that that was for other states to decide, that currently (lucky us) it’s just WA.
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