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#1 bigjohnnofish

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 12:44 AM

i have heard rumours of more lfs closing soon.... and well known ones too!!!

now its time more than ever to support your local fishop.... smile.gif

give the online buying the flick and shop at your local shop whenever possible....

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#2 *Michael*

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 05:54 AM

I agree I support my LFS

Edited by *Michael*, 16 January 2012 - 05:56 AM.


#3 CCA001

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 09:32 PM

Yep i have heard a rumour of 2 that may be closing aswell.

As you said both been around a little while aswell.

So come on all i mean is it really worth the hassles to save a small amount, and then when something goes wrong it costs you a fair amount in P&H to get it back to them.

The chain stores are going to push your specialist aquarium stores out. Then lets see you all whinge when you cant find anything decent fish wise, products, food etc etc.

Just my 2 cents on it .

#4 Poncho

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 09:50 PM

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So come on all i mean is it really worth the hassles to save a small amount, and then when something goes wrong it costs you a fair amount in P&H to get it back to them.

The chain stores are going to push your specialist aquarium stores out. Then lets see you all whinge when you cant find anything decent fish wise, products, food etc etc.


I'm all for supporting local fish shops. A bit hard to swallow though when you're getting told to do so by people running their online backyard aquatic side businesses importing dry goods and onselling fish for LFS customers rolleyes.gif

#5 simmoman

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 09:53 PM

When you want fish food where do you go?

When you want gear for your tank where do you go?

When you want to buy a couple of fish?

Where do you go to check out a good display of fish to help you select a fish you like?

I'm sure you know where I'm coming from, your local fish shop. Support yours or you might not have one close by.

Every sale counts

#6 mattt

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:04 PM

In my opinion adapt or die...
Supporting a failing LFS just keeps the life support on a little longer and does not fix any underlying issues.

#7 Anka

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:08 PM

I agree with Matt completely.

It is fundamental business management.

It is sad when local businesses fail but it is an inevitability.

#8 crazyD

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:29 PM

Which two LFS are we talking about?

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:40 PM

As Johnno said they are "rumours". Mentioning them will breach the following T&C.

3. Please refrain from naming businesses for negative feedback


Save the mods the hassle of tidying up the posts and sending people PM's by not mentioning in the first place wink.gif

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:56 PM

I believe it's just part of the boom bust cycle, a lot of fish shops opened up in the good times and now the market can no longer support them all unfortunately. The ones that adapt to the new climate will survive and the others will fall by the way side. This happens in all types of business that have a quick growth spert, the market gets flooded and then it comes back to reality. It's all part of the checks and balances, the ups and downs of life. Lets hope we don't lose to many more. cheers Steve

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 01:23 PM

QUOTE (dazzabozza @ Jan 16 2012, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As Johnno said they are "rumours". Mentioning them will breach the following T&C.

3. Please refrain from naming businesses for negative feedback


Save the mods the hassle of tidying up the posts and sending people PM's by not mentioning in the first place wink.gif


Oops sorry didn't really think about it to much and didn't think it would be a negative thing as people would go and spend sum money there
Even it it doesn't help them stay in business it will help clear the last things and pay the bills at least

Also was keen to see if it was two in the same area or diff areas as this may play a part in the situation


#12 CCA001

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 01:59 PM

QUOTE (Poncho @ Jan 16 2012, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm all for supporting local fish shops. A bit hard to swallow though when you're getting told to do so by people running their online backyard aquatic side businesses importing dry goods and onselling fish for LFS customers rolleyes.gif


Hey Poncho,

As the chairman of the PCS don't you think you should learn the facts first before you go shooting your mouth off, could REALLY get you into trouble for accusing people of the wrong thing.

You really don't set a good example for everyone else.

Online side business you are kidding rite, this is what i do for a living cleaning fish tanks and fitting them into houses/businesses

How bout the old saying THINK BEFORE YOU TALK in this case TYPE

As for a backyard business PFFFFFFFFFFFFT mine is legit has abn and all plus is probably one of the better setups in perth. SO maybe if you want to say something like you are come and say it to my face inperson if you have a problem.

I don't import dry goods and the like so once again you are WRONG. I have my own clients that i sell to and yes some are people who do use LFS for there marine stuff but they come to me because i offer something a little different than your normal marine stuff.

If i don't have a particular fish or item or cant get it i go to Seaview Aquariums , Vebas or Aquotix the last one i have spent a very good amount with in the last 30days.

So as i said learn the facts before shooting your mouth off please.

You will probably edit or delete this this so i have copy and pasted it smile.gif

Cheers
Adam

Edited by CCA001, 17 January 2012 - 02:03 PM.


#13 Poncho

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 03:42 PM

You tell yourself what you need to in order to feel better, I have no problem with or interest in however you decide to run your business. Just don't expect me to buy into that hypocrisy from you or anyone else who is onselling livestock and importing dry goods out of there backyard then telling everyone to support LFS - it's insulting!

And copy and paste whatever you like. What are you going to do - sue me?

#14 Fox

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 05:27 PM

I do NOT want to start something here.

So is just a question for you Brett.

Your rare fish you have.
Can I ask you were you bought them from?


#15 CCA001

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 07:02 PM

See if this one gets deleted minus the little part.

Hi Poncho,

SO you have NEVER onsold fry to other members and taken a sale from your LFS then.

You have also never bought fish and then onsold them a little later on down the track for more than what you paid for them.

You have also never bought your fish from people here in perth or over east who aren't a fish shop.

SO i guess you sleep well at night aswell

Also as the chairman what right do you have to accuse me of things like importing dry goods which i dont and yes i sell stock but it comes straight from the fish wholesalers and it is marine stuff mainly for my customers tanks and i order a bit more to fill the box.

Also if i were a member i would be putting in a vote of NO CONFIDENCE for the chairman as what you are doing and saying is not acceptable as you are the chairman and should be setting an example.

I will be putting in a formal complaint over you actions as they are very substandard.

O and while you are at it if you want to bring up the past im more than happy to tell a few home truths to the people on this forum if they ask

Cheers
Adam

Edited by CCA001, 17 January 2012 - 07:03 PM.


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Posted 17 January 2012 - 08:06 PM

QUOTE (crazyD @ Jan 17 2012, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also was keen to see if it was two in the same area or diff areas as this may play a part in the situation

NoR seem to be doing it hard lately. My theory is lots of new suburbs/estates and lots of chain stores popping up. Mind you SoR did it hard over the last few years.. I can think of 4 or 5 stores that have closed or scaled back.


QUOTE (Aquatic Dreams @ Jan 17 2012, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your rare fish you have.
Can I ask you were you bought them from?

Azza wub.gif

Wouldn't you agree that "rare fish" are of least interest to the shops, in most cases less profitable and not worth their time? Cichlids in general would fall in to these categories. Not sure how it was for you @ Midland as you ran a huge cichlid section and promoted it well too. But as far as the store was concerned was your bread n butter from selling things like goldfish, community fish, dry goods etc?

Daz

#17 spite333

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 08:37 PM

YAY! another simple topic got out of hand................ SAVE THE LFS's hahahahaha wink.gif

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#18 Fox

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 08:50 PM

Dazza cheers.gif
Before I start......... (here we go again tongue.gif ) Please move to another area if this is going to be ongoing. I DONT want to start something, But I realise this may.......However I do want to point out that MOST ppl on fish forums will at times sell thier for a cheaper price than the shops to make a little coin on the side to pay for such things as electricity, water etc etc.
You know as well as most ppl that come to my place to buy fish I AM NOT IN IT FOR THE MONEY! and therefore usually give stuff away for FREE.
I have advertised TWICE on my forum to get fish in from my supplier over East. The last time I posted it up nobody ordered anything and so I didnt get an order in.
This order I have put up, I have a few ppl that have shown interest. Again... Im not in it for the money. I am making next to nothing out of it, I wanted some rare fish, as do a couple of mates, I was emailed the list with the rare fish and was also offered some of the normal stuff so I decided to do a GROUP BUY and offer them to my forums members.

Now what I was referring to:

QUOTE (Poncho @ Jan 13 2012, 08:15 AM,)
Aaron, who are you trying to fool. What are you, the self appointed aquarium hobby ethics representative? Standing up and speaking for the poor ol' LFS struggling their hearts out and then stabbing them in the back with a side business bringing over cheap fish from over east to undercut them and make a couple of bucks? Give me a break rolleyes.gif


QUOTE (Poncho @ Jan 16 2012, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm all for supporting local fish shops. A bit hard to swallow though when you're getting told to do so by people running their online backyard aquatic side businesses importing dry goods and onselling fish for LFS customers rolleyes.gif


QUOTE (Poncho @ Jan 17 2012, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just don't expect me to buy into that hypocrisy from you or anyone else who is onselling livestock and importing dry goods out of there backyard then telling everyone to support LFS - it's insulting!

And copy and paste whatever you like.


QUOTE (dazzabozza @ Jan 17 2012, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Azza wub.gif

Wouldn't you agree that "rare fish" are of least interest to the shops, in most cases less profitable and not worth their time? Cichlids in general would fall in to these categories. Not sure how it was for you @ Midland as you ran a huge cichlid section and promoted it well too. But as far as the store was concerned was your bread n butter from selling things like goldfish, community fish, dry goods etc?

Daz

Yes I would agree that "rare fish" are of least interest to the shops.
When I was in charge of Mido & in the good ole days, Cichlids were our bread & butter, but things went a different way in the last 12mths I was there and ppl stopped buying cichlids etc and started buying Tetras, Goldies & Misc tropicals.
I spoke to a number of other LFS during this time and the result was the same.

Sooooooooooooooooooooo....
Me bringing in some fish that the LFS arent usually stocking (Yes there is some Misc tropicals on the list) and making a little extra (and I mean LITTLE) coinage to cover me going to the airport & storing them at home isnt such a big thing, wouldnt you agree?
Its not like I do it on a regular basis & its not like Im advertising it on EVERY forum in W.A & as you know there is a few of them.
I have kept it to my personal forum, I did ask you if I could post here before going ahead with anything.


So I find it a bit insulting that the Chairman has a crack at me for advertising on my forum for a Group Buy.....
As I said... MOST members on fish forums will buy & sell to make a little extra for the bills. Oh some even do group buys ohmy.gif

Cheap Tangs Apr 17 2011 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=40854&hl=
Trouts & Polli Oct 26 2011 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=44814&hl=
Hawk Aug 08 2011 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=43095&hl=
Bucco's Jun 1 2011 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=41772&hl=
Araguaia Jul 5 2010 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=34069&hl=
Tangs Mar 14 2010 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=31637&hl=
Mixed Jan 06 2010 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=30222&hl=
Geo's Sep 13 2009 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=27865&hl=
GROUP BUY Jul 21 2009 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=26487&hl=
Niggi's Jan 27 2009 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=22213&hl=
Attenuatus Oct 13 2008 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=20141&hl=
Attenuatus Oct 11 2008 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=20097&hl=
Malawi Gar Sep 15 2008 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=19527&hl=
Trouts Aug 07 2008 GROUP BUY - http://www.perthcich...x...c=18786&hl=
Mixed Jul 13 2008 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=18295&hl=
Cuckoos Mar 9 2008 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=15995&hl=
Niggi's Jun 28 2007 - http://www.perthcich...x...c=10086&hl=

Im not trying to have a go at you Brett, Im trying to point out that even you have done some group buys in the past & have also sold rare & not so rare fish in the past for cheap prices that undercut the LFS.
So why have a crack at me? (Im not talking for Adam, he can fight his own battles wink.gif )





#19 bradfitzy

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 09:33 PM

Ok this is getting a bit out of hand again IMO ... I think the point Johno was trying to make is that lfs are doing it tough ...as we all know .... so when at all possable it would be nice if we could all suport them as much as poss...... if this means that you might spend a few extra bucks for something that you could buy online/over east slightly cheaper and you are in a position to do so then spend the few extra $ im sure the lfs would apreciate it.

At he end of the day the more we support the lfs the more they will help and support us.

#20 spite333

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 09:48 PM

yeah i agree i think this topic shouldd be locked or wiped and start again have a dig via Pm Azz and CAA001. i thinks your trying to make brett look bad so not cool, oh yeah and just a quicky i have done a couple of group buys and not added any profit for myself ccant see the point in that its just a hobby

Edited by spite333, 17 January 2012 - 09:51 PM.





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