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#1 Izzy Isabel

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Posted 17 September 2016 - 11:30 PM

Hi guys,

Just wondering what people use to treat their cichlids?

And how often it should be done.

Is it a once off thing, or should it be done regularly?

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#2 bigjohnnofish

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 12:11 AM

if your putting a group of fish together then it can be beneficial to treat them all at once... or maybe quarantine new fish in another tank and treat them before putting into your main tank... but once a tank is clean of parasites you shoudnt have to retreat unless your adding new stuff to the tank... 

much like a group of people with influenza if people are coming and going all the time your chance of infection increases... once a group of people is free of the flu and that group of people is isolated from all others then none of you will get the flu again....



#3 Delapool

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 04:10 PM

Out of interest what would you treat for and what to use if anyone doesn't mind sharing? I don't need to treat or anything this is just for interest on what issues can be out there.

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#4 Buccal

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 07:34 PM

Protozoan parasites.

#5 Izzy Isabel

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 10:18 PM

What is the best stuff to use, for an all rounder treatment?



#6 bigjohnnofish

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 12:00 AM

i use IPC (internal parasite clear) from aquotix.... but bear in mind this doesnt wipe out camallanus worms.... takes care of gill flukes and planeria and a few other species of worms.... if you suspect camallanus worms use levamisole and you need to be vigilant as it only paralyzes them and the fish can crap them out - but if ingested again it starts all over - recommend 3 treatments of this - as per label anyway....

if you have camallanus worms look for red worms poking out of fish bums and redness around their pooper valve.... worms are usually more active after lights out - i'd come back 10-15 min after lights out and with a low power torch and have a look at your fish....

your fish will also lose condition and weight when infected with cmamllanus worms but this may not happen straight away until festation is in latter stages before death... so keep a close eye out for them... not uncommon to lose a fish in a community tank - then another - then another spread over few days-few weeks as worms make their way into your fish....



#7 Izzy Isabel

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Posted 22 September 2016 - 08:54 AM

Any one use anything else?


i use IPC (internal parasite clear) from aquotix.... but bear in mind this doesnt wipe out camallanus worms.... takes care of gill flukes and planeria and a few other species of worms.... if you suspect camallanus worms use levamisole and you need to be vigilant as it only paralyzes them and the fish can crap them out - but if ingested again it starts all over - recommend 3 treatments of this - as per label anyway....

if you have camallanus worms look for red worms poking out of fish bums and redness around their pooper valve.... worms are usually more active after lights out - i'd come back 10-15 min after lights out and with a low power torch and have a look at your fish....

your fish will also lose condition and weight when infected with cmamllanus worms but this may not happen straight away until festation is in latter stages before death... so keep a close eye out for them... not uncommon to lose a fish in a community tank - then another - then another spread over few days-few weeks as worms make their way into your fish....

How much does it cost, can you remember? Cheers



#8 bigjohnnofish

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Posted 23 September 2016 - 12:07 AM

around 20 bucks from memory but i'd check out their online store or give them a buzz to make sure 



#9 Ageofaquariums

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Posted 23 September 2016 - 06:31 AM

1) ID the nasty.

2) choose best medication to kill nasty AND not kill yer fishy

3) find med and calculate dose rate.

4) if possible test dose rate on one fish in a bucket first.

5) remove carbon and other chemical filtration

6) dose med when you have time to watch for adverse fish reaction to meds.

7) be prepared to water change IF fish react badly

8) mark down date for retreatment IF nasty lays eggs

9) test/inspect fish to ensure nasty is dead

10) quarantine new fish AND treat with a prophylactic treatment to ensure no re infestation.

 

A cheap 60X clip on microscope for ya phone is like $5 on ebay and will let you ID the nasty in question. Capturing photos lets you ask other aquarists for help, and makes sure we know the enemy. Theres often no greater danger to a fish, than an aquarist treating them for a disease they dont have!


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#10 bigjohnnofish

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Posted 24 September 2016 - 12:22 AM

good point there - sometimes the teatment you chose can be worse than your problem especially when it wipes out your beneficial bacteria , followed by rising ammonia levels etc...


IPC doesnt really harm your beneficial bacteria... main reason its usually my first choice.... 



#11 Buccal

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Posted 24 September 2016 - 05:13 PM

1) ID the nasty.
2) choose best medication to kill nasty AND not kill yer fishy
3) find med and calculate dose rate.
4) if possible test dose rate on one fish in a bucket first.
5) remove carbon and other chemical filtration
6) dose med when you have time to watch for adverse fish reaction to meds.
7) be prepared to water change IF fish react badly
8) mark down date for retreatment IF nasty lays eggs
9) test/inspect fish to ensure nasty is dead
10) quarantine new fish AND treat with a prophylactic treatment to ensure no re infestation.
 
A cheap 60X clip on microscope for ya phone is like $5 on ebay and will let you ID the nasty in question. Capturing photos lets you ask other aquarists for help, and makes sure we know the enemy. Theres often no greater danger to a fish, than an aquarist treating them for a disease they dont have!

best answer/troubleshooting I've read or heard given to that question that gets asked from time to time.
Should be a sticky or into saved info on this site.

#12 Izzy Isabel

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Posted 01 November 2016 - 09:32 PM

Hi guys,

I suspect I may have camallanus worms in my display tank. My white tail acei has a couple of pink bits (1-2mm) protruding from its bottom :(

To treat them,  should use Levamisole, is this correct? Is Levamisole a bird wormer? Is it safe to use in my fish tank?

Cheers



#13 malawiman85

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Posted 01 November 2016 - 10:09 PM

I normally use praziquantel based treatments for flukes because it's available everywhere and works great.
Kusuri plus is supposed to be effective against camallanus.
Kusuri isn't as easy to find. Usually have to order online.

Edited by malawiman85, 01 November 2016 - 10:10 PM.


#14 bigjohnnofish

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Posted 02 November 2016 - 02:23 AM

wouldnt waste your time with kusuri - doesnt work when it comes to camallanus... well in my experience anyway... and its also possible to get a strain of camallanus that is resistant to a lot of meds... levamisole is your best bet for starters.... 

there are lots of recipes of how much to use etc but i find it best to give aquotix a ring and ask.... :)



#15 Ageofaquariums

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Posted 02 November 2016 - 06:54 AM

Hobby standard is Big L. It works, thats why its been used for years. Death to the butt worms!






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