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#1 In between tanks

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 11:48 AM

About 6 months ago I got a koi from a hidden lake near my house and put it in my pond, when we went to buy a better filter the guy said he is surprised the koi is still alive, he said koi from lakes and off runs never survive for more than 2 weeks in a pond. Mine is still alive and thriving in my pond. I finally trained it to eat floating pellets yesterday.
The koi is about50+ cm and is all black, except for the lips
Is this fact suppose to be real or is it just a lies down if it is true why is my koi still alive?

#2 Delapool

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 11:53 AM

Wonder if it's an acclimatisation thing?


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#3 Buccal

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 12:00 PM

I'd strongly suggest fact is incorrect.
Koi are hardy things.
People catch out of the Swan and put into ponds just fine.

Very high percentage of koi grown for on sale, are in large lakes then extracted to go to shops to be sold as backyard pond fish.
This is done all over the world,,,, hugely in Japan to.

#4 In between tanks

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 02:00 PM

Yeah the guy at the koi shop was spinning out when it was still alive

#5 sandgroper

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 12:54 AM

BOLLOCKS.



#6 Shane-o88

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 09:23 AM

You could take your koi, swing it as hard as you can at that blokes head, put it back in the tank and it still won't die

#7 Buccal

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 10:16 AM

Did you know in Hiroshima a long generation family breeding firm has or had a koi that lasted 3x full generations of human family.
There are other claims of a 225 year old koi to, but this documentary that was leant to me I think the fish was older and much bigger.

If you buy a koi 20-30cm, it will live longer than you at worst,, (without keepers neglect).

A serious survivor,,, I know wonder that going back a couple hundred years or many more, that koi were the most popular and traded resource throughout Asia and Europe, as areas that experienced freeze overs were very low in food resources, and koi grew large and survived under thick sheaths of.
Food production by humans back then were crazy primitive.

#8 Riggers

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 11:03 AM

Absolute rubbish! Myself and ice would go feral fishing for big koi and carp, they'd sit in an esky for an hour or 2 then home to the pond, never had a drama with the ferals! :)
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#9 Buccal

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Posted 04 January 2016 - 12:16 AM

I remember going to my mates next doors neighbors house that had been overseas for don't know long.
His backyard pond had avaporated (rediculous little pond with big koi), and there was just enough water to cover them stuck in a little deeper pocket all crammed facing one way x 3 @ 30cm.
Idiot neighbors said just leave them to die.
Mates mum took them in,,,, would have to say those three weren't even thinking about dying.

It's amazing keeping koi in supreme condition.
Some people around tend to think theirs are supreme condition also.
But you'll know when they are happy, and know when they're not.
I water change weekly,, but if I go to two weeks they let me know about that's for sure.
Very strange fish, I stand at pond edge and they do the flicking thing like cichlids do when stressed by water chemistry,,,, but in this case it's nitrate climbing fast.
But they flick just below the surface ,, then I go above my pond on the second story alfresco above to the side and spy through the reeded decking gaps, they don't see me, and flicking is very occasional.
I go down below to water edge again, and lol, flicking like hell again.
Weekly water changes is fine by them,,,,,, I use bore water for its faster refill time,,,, the bore water also agitates the fish, even funnier as the bore is now towards the soft side.
I mix up 3 cups carbonate, 2 cups calcium chloride, and chuck it all in.
The Koi then sink to bottom and do a pin to the bottom scouting motion slow swimming.
Come back to pond a hour later, the pond has cleared after dose.
And they are all zooming over the surface and playing and even little play leaps at times.
Every day two hours before sun down and onwards, if I approach pond the koi come from all corners and everywhere and rush in a uniform army giving a forward surge that sloshes the rocks at the edge.
Everyday fed minutes before sun down.

They are very visual on viewing out of the water at people and movement.
They take notice at quite a far away point while I approach pond..

Someone I know up the road has a pond with koi.
The fish are lifeless, brisk movement creates rediculous frightened bolting.
This dude, he doesn't listen,,, I'm pretty sure they were oxygen deprived and burning/stewing in nitrates.
Contradicting is funny but true,,,,,

Koi are rugged tough old things that should out live you,
But koi are very sensitive mentaly and physically, and their spirit dies if you don't treat them right.
Definite individual behavior differences.

When they all rush towards you when you get home, it feels similar to like my dog his happy to see me in such a excitement.
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#10 sandgroper

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Posted 04 January 2016 - 08:52 AM

Basically if someone can't keep Koi and Goldfish alive then they shouldn't be keeping fish imo, there pretty much bullet proof.



#11 Androo

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Posted 04 January 2016 - 09:40 AM

I have a feeling that if you put bullets through them, friending where you hit them, they would infact die

#12 deliriouz

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Posted 04 January 2016 - 11:27 PM

Kookaburras took some of my smaller ones. They ain't birdproof either

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#13 sandgroper

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 12:08 AM

Mine are, use netting. The sound of running water will always attract predatory birds (Herons, Cranes and the likes). Other wise they will just keep laughing at you. :Rofl_3f: :Rofl_3f: :Rofl_3f: :Rofl_3f: :Rofl_3f:



#14 Androo

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 08:57 AM

Can't laugh with a bullet in their chest 😒.... But seriously ppl, don't shoot native animals, not cool
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#15 malawiman85

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 09:04 AM

Yeahl shoot koi instead...

#16 Buccal

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 09:58 AM

Lol shoot koi instead,,,, the very native determined man,,,, you can't knock those people, ha ha .

I've dropped some serious money into a few serious bloodline koi which come from Allen Bennett,,,, also specialties from water garden world in Gwelup that come through one year that were crackers.

Those bloody Cranes and Herrons we're always around when I first built my pond they'd all sit at the edge, but once I accustomed my old dog to our new built home and pond the birds left.
When my dog died, I got a new pup and for first three months for pup to grow, those birds come back lol.

The birds were never a issue though as I new they would come once pond was built.
Simply just bought koi that were always over 28cm, this way, the fish eat the birds. Just kidding lol.
But wanting serious quality koi without doing the selection processes, then getting them at 25cm or bigger is best way to garrantee.

People don't realise just how different the pond full of fish with carefully selected koi looks to a pond full of fish that are non selected or started from a handful of random small fish.

Koi kept in prestine condition really glow with color when end of spring approaches and quality ones just look amazing.

I use to have a 12m x 1.2m plant filter filtering my pond which worked great, full of Lebanese water cres,,, but trees grew over and blocked out their light,,,, but the once a year strip out and plant regrouping and runway clean was a massive job, and even though once a year, was still a pain, I also back then wasn't enlightened with the full knowledge of gram negative bacteria back then.
As the waiste solids that build up in plant filters harbors these bad bacterias.
Beginning of new seasons warm weather triggers the bad bacteria into reproduction and causes what's common in koi ponds a string of health issues which are disease related, but disappears as water and season further on heats up.

I now just use a ibc with 100mm void at bottom where the water from pond gets injected,,, above void is a grill with a jumbled compact mess of gutter guard with dark green string algae growing within stitching it all together.
The sun shining through the ibc keeps string alge happy.

The waiste from pond gets caught inside void under gutter guard.
In the void space is the 50mm manual valve.
Once opened, 1000 head liters assisted by gravity creates a intense downwards force instantly releasing the crap caught in the void and completely cleans the filter.
I physically havnt cleaned any pond filter manually for well over 8 years now.
I just revealed my secret filter lol.

Edited by Buccal, 05 January 2016 - 10:00 AM.


#17 ice

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 02:44 PM

Can't laugh with a bullet in their chest .... But seriously ppl, don't shoot native animals, not cool

Technically they aren't native to WA :)



#18 malawiman85

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 08:01 PM

Open season!
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