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[waxy]

look at them all pipe up now but none of them were game enough to join the pcs league on the afl fantasy

Being a freo supporter your memory should help you understand how Carlton supporters feel.
You obviously take your footy pretty seriously TCM. There's more than 2 teams in the afl tho don't forget.
Maybe that attitude is one reason people won't join PCS league???

[TheTexasCichlidMasacre]

That's right i do understand and I was asking a question to see what they fealt the problem with the club was... What attitude are u talking about? I do not have a poor attitude


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[malawiman85]

Pfft thats not attitude! Give the guy a break, he just seemed genuinely interested.
The following is a heart felt example of bad attitude!
gAyFL sucks!
Oh yeah and GO FORCE!

;-p

[TheTexasCichlidMasacre]

I was genuinely interested ... The reason people didn't join the pcs league was because they didn't care, didn't have time or were to lazy to make a team lol Considering I know the comments were actually friendly banter from Poncho and others..., I'm gob smacked how asking any honest question because I was genuinely interested means I have an attitude problem? Like wtf would make you say that? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Edited by TheTexasCichlidMasacre, 13 April 2014 - 07:38 AM.

[slink]

^ there is always one. How many people go to a force game compared to a afl?...... Bugger all because NRL is crap just a bunch of meat heads playing on a soccer field

Edited by slink, 13 April 2014 - 07:46 AM.
Wrong sport

[TheTexasCichlidMasacre]

NFL is the American sport lol what you on about mate lol


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[slink]

Oops fixed

[malawiman85]

Nrl??? Sheesh!
League is worse than gAyFL!

[slink]

Oh sorry touch rugby then?

[Poncho]

In reference to the op - I don't mind that Carlton are losing, we don't have the premium cattle to put on the field this year, afl has been designed to go in cycles and every team will have highs and lows - the magnitude of it comes down to club management.

But what really gets my goat is the attitude of the blues players at the moment - just lazy. I've seen teams like Gold Coast still giving 110% when they're 100 points down with half a quarter to go. Yesterday some of the blues players had given up even though we were three goals down with a whole quarter to go. Bryce Gibbs lazy kick around the corner for a point from a set shot typified it when we were really still in the game.

I'm hoping Malthouse starts living up to his reputation and starts rolling some heads to get rid of this attitude. It's ok to lose as long as you tried your best.

[waxy]

The reason people didn't join the pcs league was because they didn't care, didn't have time or were to lazy to make a team

 Aha now your talkiing some sense.

Easily offended?

As for carlton, still a decent looking side on paper. Confidence and attitude has to be at a low right now.

Wonder if Micky will keep his job? Only has a 2yr contract from memory.

[shep]

Carlton have a lot of good players but still need to build a TEAM !
If Mick Malthouse responds to his players like he did at the press conference last week , he probably will not get a positive response from them ( maybe it's time for him to step down) in the modern game.
West Coast were guilty of spectating yesterday ! They spent to much time just watching the ball rather than going and getting it.
Having a game plan is good , BUT sometimes you have to respond to the fact that your opposition does not know your game plan and are not going to help you to carry it forward.
Players need to toughen up and take more responsibility for their cock ups .
That was the difference between Geelong and West coast Yesterday.
Carlton are indeed at the low end of the footy cycle that most teams will go through from time to time. They will come good again ( just not yet).

FYI . I am a WCE supporter

[jeffblack]

This will be the only song being played this arvo =)

[slink]

Well played freo

Lost another damn tip

[TheTexasCichlidMasacre]

Ok slink i wont rub it in to much lol

Edited by TheTexasCichlidMasacre, 13 April 2014 - 05:11 PM.

[slink]

Doesn't phase me I don't go for either teams

[Frontosaman]

Freo Floged em!!!!


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[Pat]

It's hard to feel sorry for Carlton and I love to "hate" them but the comp needs a strong Carlton. Financially and culturally...

 

The way I see it is...

Carlton were desperate for success after the lean period they have suffered following the crippling draft sanctions imposed on them by the AFL after they got caught cheating the salary cap a while back. Basically... Carlton, around the time they sacked Ratten, vastly overrated their list and were of the opinion that with a high quality "window coach" they could steal a long overdue (by their lofty standards) premiership. Unfortunately, the kings and heirs who built Carlton did so in an era when reputation, power and money allowed them to top up their list with stars and have a crack at the premiership most years. Many of these kings and their heirs still pull the strings. I just don't think the football department at Carlton has the guts to stand up to the rich boys on the board. They honestly expected their "window coach" to pull off what Fremantle's "window coach" is doing at the moment. But Freo were spot on about where their list was at and about the urgent action required as the expansion teams gathered inevitable momentum on the horizon.

 

Legend has it that the previous Carlton President, the super rich Visy magnate Richard Pratt, begged Kernahan to take over the reins while on his deathbed. Sticks has been at the club in some form for 30 years and he bleeds navy blue. But like most people that are passionate about a cause he seems to have an inability to take a step back and see the uncomfortable truths. It also seems that with his tenure as president coming to an end the temptation was perhaps there for him to try to put a stamp on his legacy with a premiership rather than oversee a fall on the ladder in his final two years due to the implementation of a rebuilding period. Was he just a little selfish or naive? Perhaps a bit of both. It's incredible what even the most intelligent people can make themselves believe if they really want or need it to be so.

 

I reckon Mick Malthouse is at the stage of his career where he simply would not have taken on a club he intended to rebuild. He, for some reason, expected big things this season or next. His unrestrained emotions show me that what's unfolding is definitely not what he signed up for. It also puts his judgment into question. He did leave Collingwood's list with some players that had been allowed to create a poor culture, a culture that's detriment to the club outweighed the players in question's ageing onfield contributions. (Shaw, Didak, Johnson, Jolly.)

 

Nathan Buckly didn't hesitate to make some tough and unpopular decisions after The Pies' suprise exit to Port Adelaide in the 2013 finals. Malthouse kindly made one for him by luring his vastly overrated and injury prone love child,"Daisy," to join his "dad" at Carlton!!! I think Buckley took the Collingwood job fully understanding where his list was at and what was required having been at the club in previous seasons as an assistant. To be fair, Malthouse did not have this luxury at Carlton. Again, unlike Malthouse, Buckley, the rest of the footy department and the board were pragmatic and on the same page about the expectations of the coming years.

 

Collingwood and Geelong are two good examples of teams executing excellent modern list management. Geelong haven't blinked watching Josh Hunt, Paul Chapman and James Podsiadley make solid contributions for their new clubs. Instead they have absorbed injuries to Vardy, Christenson and Motlop, backed in their youngsters and now sit 4 and 0. Collingwood have been impressive also. Anyone who watched the first half of the game last week between the two sides would have been in no doubt as to where they are at. But I digress.....

 

The treatment of Brett Ratten, a Carlton stalwart, I feel, has left a bad taste in everyone at Carltons mouth and has certainly hurt their reputation and culture. A lesser man than Ratten would probably be revelling in Malthouses despair but I think seeing his old club in such a bad place would overide that. He lost no fans and won many with the dignity he displayed in the face of the disrespect and arrogance shown to him by the Carlton board in 2012. If we had room at Geelong I would take him in a heartbeat.

 

Anyway, that's my rather elongated opinion on the original question. (But I'm not a Carlton supporter!) Carlton have buggered up big time. Kernahan will step aside by the end of the year as arranged previously and Malthouse has 2015 to serve on his contract. If they don't improve markedly he will be looking for another bunch of dreamers to coach...

 

These are strictly the opinions of the writer! I'm open to correction, debate or ridicule!

Edited by Pat, 14 April 2014 - 11:46 PM.