HYBRID FISH - *DL WARNING*
#21
Posted 13 September 2009 - 06:17 PM
#22
Posted 13 September 2009 - 09:39 PM
my 2 cents
#23
Posted 16 September 2009 - 05:13 PM
Yes there have been fish that cross breed in the wild but it is rare and because there is a hell of a lot more space in the wild it makes it that much harder for 2 species to cross breed.
#24
Posted 17 September 2009 - 08:51 AM
#25
Posted 18 October 2009 - 02:00 AM
I think that the whole issue is taken out of context and that there are some individuals that are very narrow minded to the topic. Sure there is the weak argument that "Hybrid Fish creates confusion with identification and are sold as 'purebred'.... and can taint purebred stocks"....... I can not name one example where I have gone into a shop and seen hybrids labelled as purebred fish.
- Ive seen them mislabled, but not any examples where hybrids are being sold as pure.
Also any genuine fish enthusiast, whom buys fish with the intention to breed them, should be able to identify purebred fish. So if there are hybrids being sold it is unlikely that they would be bred from.
If you look at the included photos, I cant see how any of these can be confused with their pure bred counterparts. This argument certainly doesnt apply to parrots and flowerhorns.
Some Examples are : All dogs are hybrid.... Over a very long period of time many very different varieties have been 'created', This too has been done with hundreds of bird varieties - the canary is a hybrid. There is a great deal to be gained from hybrid animals in the agriculture, pet and aquaria hobby.
I believe that the PCS should encourage and allow the sale of hybrids, this would alleviate the alleged problem of hybrids being mislabelled and sold as pure in shops it would also futher educate people....etc. - As they could be correctly identified and transparenty sold through this forum.
I like a debate!! I look forward to hearing other peoples thoughts.
#26
Posted 18 October 2009 - 02:22 AM
Take the basic example of Red Devils or Electric Yellows, where the fish are selected on its "most desired" attributes. The biggest and brightest etc fish are selected and bred from, with the intention of creating 'better' fish, with a more desirable appearance. With each subsequent generation the species differs from its true wild form.
The Poll result is interesting, As a point of debate and further interest, maybe the PCS should reconsider its position on hybrids ?!
#27
Posted 18 October 2009 - 08:45 AM
A good debate indeed (PS - not having "a go" with my comments, just providing some counters)
- Ive seen them mislabled, but not any examples where hybrids are being sold as pure.
IMO I see your statement a little narrow minded too. Lets not forget that your experience (in what you have seen @ the LFS) alone will not be the same as others. I've personally seen crosses or "unknown" fish.
IMO it shouldn't be encouraged. Our curiosity and competitiveness will make us to "create" new breeds risking existing species from being lost. Peacocks are a classic example where no one is quite sure whether or not we see pure wild strains anymore.
There are plenty of fish that don't get a 100% ID confirmed here.
EDIT - something else that came to mind is you say that most a fish are labelled correctly. Wouldn't you agree that flowerhorns are mis-labelled? IMO for the label to be correct it should be 'xxx species' X 'yyy species' X 'zzz species' instead of the trade name.
Just my 2 cents
Daz
#28
Posted 20 October 2009 - 04:31 PM
Just to clarify the point above... we have zero control over what people sell (including the sponsors) outside of the forum. The rule of no hybrids to be sold via the forum applies to everyone (if picked up by a moderator). Some may slip through the cracks as there are grey areas or uncertainty as to how some aquarium strains came about etc but the sale of definite hybrids advertised as 'xxx species' X 'yyy species' is not allowed.
In regards to hybrids @ the LFS they wouldn't sell them is there wasn't a demand All we can do is educate and let people decide for themselves.
Daz
#29
Posted 12 January 2010 - 09:59 PM
Don't get me wrong though I am not a fan of hybrids. I did have some that came in a tank setup. They were kinda colourful but very territorial and would eat anything and everything.
#30
Posted 27 January 2010 - 05:55 PM
lets say you die unexpectedly
and your next of kin, who may have no clue about fish, decides to sell your fish before they all die anyway.
then a bunch of people, who may not have much idea either... buy them. breed them. distribute them. and further mess up the gene pool...
im not the kind of person who thinks its ok to tell other people what to do... so i wont... but personally id rather spend my time improving the natural species we already have...
#31
Posted 27 January 2010 - 07:55 PM
lets say you die unexpectedly
and your next of kin, who may have no clue about fish, decides to sell your fish before they all die anyway.
then a bunch of people, who may not have much idea either... buy them. breed them. distribute them. and further mess up the gene pool...
im not the kind of person who thinks its ok to tell other people what to do... so i wont... but personally id rather spend my time improving the natural species we already have...
i think all this is allready happening
#32
Posted 27 January 2010 - 07:57 PM
Agreed! It's what I'm planning..... improving certain breeds/species and also breeding rare fish so it's more readily available in Perth..
#33
Posted 27 January 2010 - 08:24 PM
your my hero BIG Kev , do you were your jocks on the out side , just jokes mate , great work , keep it up
#34
Posted 28 January 2010 - 05:15 PM
Didn't hitler try this?
#35
Posted 05 February 2010 - 07:52 PM
#36
Posted 20 February 2010 - 12:10 AM
The only advice I can offer to the buyer is that if you are in the situation of aquiring a fish, make good time of homework, study body shape and colour most intensively and ensure you are getting a fish that is good as expected from the natural environment.
Cheers
Den
#37
Posted 03 November 2010 - 08:11 PM
I agree, it can sometimes be very awkward when you go to look at or pick up a fish and it is not true to what was being advertised.
I think at the end of the day it is the buyer's responsibility to know what they are buying and to ask appropriate questions. I have paid good money for hybrids before because I simply didn't know better and neither did the seller (a store). But lesson learnt, and now I will never go back there. Unfortunately I'm now stuck with these fish because the PCS does not allow me to sell them knowing what they are (although they are attractive display quality fish that could be kept in a non-breeding environment). I could of course lie or sell them as unknown peacocks or something like that, but then I wouldn't be any better than the place I bought them from.
#38
Posted 03 November 2010 - 08:26 PM
#39
Posted 03 November 2010 - 08:32 PM
#40
Posted 04 November 2010 - 12:30 AM
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