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[daci]

WC tropheus chilambo...going DOWN!

tried them all METR0...DIMETRO....epson salt ....bath...in tank...food...you name it! i have been playing doctor and nurse for more than 2 weeks....none working!


5 dead of 17 so far and those alive 1/2 NOT eating!

need clout!

please ring/pm/sms...040 345678 6

thanks in advance

michael

hey STEVE...why not come out for your retirement and help me out this time mate!

****edited****

doc came 1/Sept prescribed different med ---> all good
now is 4/09

no more death...still a long way to go but optimistic!

No need clout anymore so who wants them let me know

cheers

michael

***edited END****

[daci]

no kidding!

not one in perth have clout....

[kevy73]

What are you trying to treat for? Do you need the clout as you can't think of what else could be wrong, or you know they have Ich, anchor worm or something specific that Clout Treats?

I don't have any clout, never used clout, but just trying to get some more info - it might get some members giving you other suggestions.

[daci]

order some from east...if anyone here got some please let me know

also,

will sacrifice one fish for the vet...see how we go

very distress
michael

[Cicolid]

Hi Michael,

In my opinion you are not getting much response as not many members carry Clout as a standby.

It is not widely available in WA, plus it is also a bit pricey to have just laying around.

I assume you are using the Clout for Bloat.....what makes you think you have Bloat.
Have you looked at other causes for your present troubles ? Tropheus are renowned for their need for stable water conditions, especially gH & kH.

What are your gH, kH, pH and Nitrate readings ?

Col

[kevy73]

Ok, I am prepared to be laughed at here, but if you are treating for Bloat, have you tried Natural yoghurt?

I have used it to great effect on my red forest jewels before.

Get a small tit pipette or similar, and either A) syringe directly in to the fishes mouth (never tried this method, seemed too invasive), or drop small droplets of it in front of the fish They float down slowly. Even ones that weren't eating seemed to be happy to take this when I used this method. When they take the droplet in, you see it cloud out around the gills, but some goes down into their stomach.

I never lost a fish to bloat using this method. I have never kept Tropheus, but this worked a treat on my Red Forests.

Good luck

[daci]

hi col,

kh 9
gh 19
ph 8.4

the figures should be higher but because i have been changing water daily so it's hard to keep it constant

call a mobile vet come around tonight...will cost a bit but at least i can save the colony!

they don't eat so what you rekon the cause may be....the guy that have the other half of the batch experiencing same proplem (trofius on tropheusfanatics) as me and i have been keeping tropheus for sometimes...

some other bugs going on this batch from Chris i think Col...they are droping like flies both me and trofius...ar what the hell...i am not giving up yet...wait till tonight the vet will cut them out...

still distress

michael

[Cicolid]

Hi Michael,

I was not being critical of your fish keeping practices, I was merely starting off with the basic requirements for diagnosis.

Judging by your posts I would assume that your water parameters were all good, and they are pretty spot on, but we have to start somewhere & sometimes the obvious is overlooked.

Lets hope the Vet can shed some light on your problems & provide you with the correct medication.

Col

[keleherr]

try hookedonfish for some clout. if its sent via express post you should get it in a day or 2

[Mr_docfish]

Michael, I think you have a problem with the fish that is not treatable with medications... it is a symptom of damage due to transport. It has been well known for many years that to get wild caught fish in from Germany was fraught with the possibility that the imported fish will not last long due to damage sustained from long shipping times and stress. I have heard the saying that one has to breed the wild caught German fish within 6 months, before they die.
There is nothing stronger than the products you have used, so the problem is most probably not treatable. Give your fish the best water quality possible and let nature unfold, you might get lucky, and maybe you can trade with the other guy with what you have left.
Now you know why these fish are so damn expensive, and the German suppliers want to trans-ship the fish right after arrival from the lakes and the importers in Australia are always trying to offload them quickly, or even better, have them pre-ordered or pre-sold. This is also why you very rarely see these fish in LFS - we've already been stung and learned from it.
To bring them in as you have done, is the only way the public will be able to bring them in cheaply (it would be more expensive if you were to buy them from your local, as you would know - but your local will have to wear the losses, including, to a certain degree, what you loose!).

Sorry to hear you are having such problems..... I am in no hurry to do my own German shipment, it's not worth the stress... now you all know why.


EDIT: Link to Doc's Clout Info post - http://www.perthcich...showtopic=19266 ---Dazza

[daci]

fish doctor will come around tonight!

$110 per hour + 50 cents or a 1 dollar per km to get to my place if i am too far out + treatment fees....ouch!

i am not giving up yet...i have done everything i could possible can for the batch...so bring it on as long as the wife and kids happy nothing else matter...

michael

[daci]

take a look at them below...my sweet colony...how can i just let nature unfolded

[daci]

ok...full result of of the test not yet obtain but here is a quick run down from the fish doc:

1. the amount of metro/dimetro that we have been treated the fishes should have been more than enought to sort out the bloat issues!
2. must be something else that cause the death
- took gill + swap samples of some of the fish put them under the microscope and found:
1. white spot (external baterial) -- not visible to naked eyes...but we did took a video of the baterial and will have it post for you guys to see.
2. gill swollen --> irritation --> internal baterial infection --> unknow type

3. he then goes on to say that metro/dimetro only fix the positive gram or something and very little of the negative etc (i wasn't sure all the details but he will email the pictures of the bateria i will ask for more explanation)

4. - he gave a new med that will fix all (neg/pos/internal/external)--> basically all you can eat powder
name:Aquaflox and the active ingredient is Enrofloxacin (which he said the interstate vet may only have injectable form ie expensive)
this Aquaflox will almost certainly kill all your canister bateria... so i must check the water condition daily and no feeding for five days. Then try to feed with metro soaked food then water change then aquaflox for another 5 days...all and all 15 days treatment.
- i have to get some whitespot treatment from LFS tues and sort this out right away

he did not said whether the fish will be all right...but said he hopes they do as the fish look alright...active...not sunken

will update later

cheers
michael

[Fishy]

They are beautiful looking fish Michael.

I see why you are trying your best to save them - I hope all goes well.

Bon

[dom]

you seem to have got a lot of response on the issue . nobody seems to know whats going on .. my advice is think about why we are in the hobby for starters then think we are only humans they the fish are far far superior than we will ever be we can not have control over these things as some PEOPLE ON HERE THINK ,,,,,,THINK yes i said think that they do know about these things ,listen to your self and do what you think THINK YES I SAID THINK what is right for your fish ......if they do die well all i can say is may be they wernt meant to be kept in a fish tank SAD I KNOW but a lot of people like to get sattisfaction on breeding fish ...... let and let live what will happen will happen no matter WHAT YOU DO...... clout nahhhhhhh i dont think so its wasting YOUR time ...in the wild the fish dont know what clout is so why intraduce it to your tank ..LIVE AND LET LIVE ...ps sorry about the spelling ...on some words

[dom]

by the way the fish in the photos .......ARE THEY YOUR FISH

[daci]

hi dom,

they are my fishes and i have been playing doc & nurse for the past 3 weeks...

doc came and prescribed med for 3 more weeks...same routine...water change everyday!

btw, i was quite imazing looking at the bugs under the microscopic light! the are spinning and i mean really spinning...our family got quite excited as we have never seen anything like this before + our fishes will be saved...we hope!


michael

[daci]

no more death since fish doctor came...see main post...all happy so far

cheers
michael

[divine]

no more death since fish doctor came...see main post...all happy so far

cheers
michael

Glad to hear that, must have been a nail biter these past few weeks

[Sazabi]

Any more updates on them?

Hope they are doing well.

Regards