I have been reading this thread and looked at the VCS thread
As per Tammy's instructions this is what I consider constructive, so here goes a history lesson on what I know as L043 A.leucastictus
The fish Geof was selling as "Brown Peppermints" (A.leucostictus) is what were produced by a Melb breeder and released to the hobby about 3 or so yrs ago, I know because I know the breeder (as do most people in VCS & EDAS clubs in Melb) and I bought the first released bags of fish at the VCS auction when in Melb
The fish were ID'ed as L043 A.leucastictus from the information available at the time a rather ordinary pic in Aqualog and a confirming pic of a fish labelled Ancistrus leucostictus in Axelrods Catfish Atlas page 748 bottom right corner
![](http://members.optushome.com.au/catyfish1/Fish/catfish atlas Leuco.jpg)
There were no other pics available that could be found ...... even Planet Catfish had no image
This fish was only traded as L043 or A.leucostictus from the original source, as with everything it has been given a couple of trade names of "Orange Spot" (confused with the P.gibbiceps of a similar trade name) and now "Brown Peppermint" (also new to me
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Recently it was labelled as L110, but what I consider L043 is different in the spotting pattern to the L110 offered by AI (is the L110 at AI correct in it's ID ?) as can be seen by the pics on Geof's post of fish the same size
This is a pic of the L043 I first got at about 7cm size
![](http://members.optushome.com.au/catyfish1/Fish/7cm Juv Leuco.jpg)
This is a pic of one of the group at about 10cm size
![](http://members.optushome.com.au/catyfish1/Fish/10cm Leuco.jpg)
Yes these fish can colour up from washed out muddy brown to a rich dark chocolate base colour with white spots (hence the leucostictus) depending on mood
My fish are around the 15cm size now
Other pics from sites seem to vary in what is A.leucostictus
from this one that conforms to my reference of L043
Akwa foto altlas pic
to this one that looks like a common Bristle
FishLinks Central pic
These fish that were sold originally under L043 breed true to type form with NO variation of appearance in the markings
ATM I still hold to L043 as a valid ID more than L110 but as with most Loricardae the ID can be subject to change
Re the VCS post
I can only reach a conclusion with the VCS post that is showing on their forum now, and consider Geofs reply as over the top as it shows to be only Bilby Jnr having an opinion by questioning the "Trade name" with laughing emoticons ......... Jezzzzzzzzz thicken your skin
If it had more content in the 5 minutes before it was edited then there could be justification in the reply by Geof and I retract my comment otherwise I stand by my opinion
As a past moderator on SCP forums and looking at things as they stand I would consider it harsh to be banned for a non flaming non trolling opinion on a forum
These are my opinions and may not be accepted by all that read this thread
L2H Edited by: Tammy Brisbane at: 7/4/04 1:13 pm