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[ado]

Your right Den. You caught me out...grammar is my weak point.

I'm not trying to argue with you. You obviously have a wide area of interest, and like to think outside the box. I can respect that.
IMO you just need to learn how to state and defend your arguments properly. Opinions are great, everyone's entitled to them - only problem is that we have about 6 billion of them.
I was just trying to help.

Good luck with the future mate,

ado

[Den]

Ado sorry to see you give up so easily.

If it gives you any ammo to help you kick the crap out of me here I own a cat! surely you can make me pay for that somehow:lol:

Anyway thanks for your well wishes, wish you the best too!

Cheers
Den

[Nads]

Statistics show that German shepherds, bull terriers, blue/red heelers, dobermans and rottweilers are responsible for about 75% of attacks on people, should these dogs be allowed to be kept in our society?, it it were up to me, these disgusting man made incestually inbred abominations would be wiped off the face of the Earth immediately.

These are also some of the most owned breeds, so there would be a higher % of attacks.

A lot of children also provoke dog attacks. Also, adults do not teach or supervise their children.

I have had GSD's all my life and they have never attacked anyone.

[Meghan]

I'd like to point out that people are 9 times out of 10 responsible for dog attacks. Don't confuse an animal with a person - a dog is not a human being. A dog cannot reason, it can't think and consider right and wrong, or cause and effect. A dog is never good or evil -but it can be gentle or aggressive.

and this is the thanks you get from helping a dog "HELPING DOG THAT HAD BEEN HIT BY CAR DOG BIT VICITM"

This quote is what prompted me to say this. A dog is not a person. A dog that has been hit by a car is probably
- in a great deal of pain
- afraid
- in an unusual environment

What is a dog's first defense in any potentially hostile situation? Aggression. The dog doesn't know that this random person that is helping it isn't responsible for the pain it is in, because the dog can't reason that it was the car that hurt it. The dog just knows that it's in pain, and that it doesn't know this person that is approaching it when it's in a highly vulnerable position. So it bites, because it's all that it can do to defend itself from this potential threat. If it's not in huge amounts of pain, it will probably growl and bristle to warn the person to stay away, but people so rarely take notice of a dog's warning signs that it probably wouldn't make any difference anyway.

And as for the statistic that you posted about German shepherds, Dobermans and Blue/Red heelers having the largest proportion of attacks - they are all working dogs.
The owner of any dog needs to make sure that they train their animal so that it isn't aggressive or dangerous, but with breeds like the Australian Cattle dog, which needs a lot of exercise and mental stimulation, some people might forget just how much attention the dog needs, because they're so popular they assume that they will automatically be friendly without any training. Some dogs will be, but some need more attention. And as for German Shepherd's and Dobermans - both working dogs, specifically bred to guard things. Again, it's a case of the dog needing a lot of obedience training, not a case of the dog being evil.

I don't believe that it's possible for there to be such thing as an evil dog, just responsible or irresponsible owners. Evil is an entirely human flaw, because only a human will do something for motives that could be called evil. A dog will react to things - very rarely will they pre-empt something, and they will never plot or scheme. They'll never hurt someone just because they wanted to cause pain. They can be trained to hurt for what might seem like no reason, but it will probably be out of fear. They're our beloved companions certainly, but it's a mistake to apply human values to a dog.

(Or perhaps, a dog owner with a breed that is beyond their skill level. Kind of like a person getting their 250CC motorbike license and then riding a 1000, thinking it's the same thing, when it absolutely isn't. A doberman is a dog bred for a completely different purpose to say, a silky terrier. It's also a lot bigger, and a lot stronger, and obviously needs a lot more time and dedication to train properly, something that a dog owner should take responsiblility for. It's not the dog's fault that this is the case though.)

[Nads]

I'd like to point out that people are 9 times out of 10 responsible for dog attacks.

I agree and it is because so many people do not train or socialise their dogs...

Also, puppy socialisation is VERY important and I recommend it to everyone.