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[Neakit]

crazyd why arent you a club member yet? you seem very passionate.

[sajica]

In my opinion the outlet in question is not qualified to be a sponsor of the PCS. Standards may have been lowered since I left but the long term sponsors have noticed and the PCS will probably regret the decision to allow a substandard outlet to become a sponsor.

I'm not taking sides on this issue Terry, I'm curious what points you deem qualifies a shop to be a sponsor. Is there some form of Selection Criteria laid out by the PCS in the constitution? I used to have a copy of the constitution when I used to be a member in 2001/2002 but damned if I know where it is or if I even still have it.

Edited by saj, 12 January 2012 - 09:50 PM.

[Peckoltia]

Before you mouth off.
Find out who you are talking too.
Terry is a very well respected in the hobby, and was a part of the PCS back in the early days up until recently.

Kev - Malaga Aquarium is a great mate of many here including Terry. To see that the shop in question is now a sponsor could be taken as a little rude by many IMO.
IMO I think the PCS should have waited a bit longer, I realise the club needs sponsors etc, but I'm pretty sure they don't need that one ATM.
I saw it as "Oh well, Malaga has gone, might as well get the other one in now" It may not be like that, But I certainly saw it like that.
Don't get me wrong, I know the owner of that store quite well, nice bloke etc, but I still think the PCS should have waited at least 6mths before that sponsor on.
Some may say, whats the difference, 2 mths - 6mths, well there is a bit of difference. Let the wound heal first...

So a little bit of respect goes a long way.

I agree with you whole heartedly mate. Well said.
edit- spelling ***

Edited by Peckoltia, 12 January 2012 - 09:50 PM.

[Riggers]

crazyd why arent you a club member yet? you seem very passionate.

Ease up Simon he's only been on the forum a month... How long till you became a club member?? ... The topic is sponsors and posts being deleted not membership...

[Neakit]

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[Fox]

Az , the closing of Malaga aquariums has nothing to do with new sponsor coming on board , a request was made and a decision was reached by the committee bottom line is as a club we could all learn to get along and work together . As you can all see this thread has been left open because we do value the opinion of our members, however I would be great if people didn't jump to conclusions

I understand that we all should get along etc etc, But dont you think the club could have held off a bit longer? Kev was a huge part of the club and its members for many years, even way before my time with the PCS.
I think a little respect toward Kev and what he has / is going through right now would be appreciated by many.

Whatever gave you the idea that a sponsor is taken on purely for monetary reasons Azza ?

I know its not Scotty, I didn't mean it like that. BUT..... It does have a big part of becoming a sponsor.
Donations from sponsors go toward forum costs etc

I have no intentions to start a bitchfight blah blah blah

But at the end of the day, IMO, The club has jumped in a little quick. I keep saying the same thing.... The PCS should have waited at least 6mths before offering or accepting a sponsorship from an old competitor of Kev.
And I realise Kev is no longer there... But again.. A little respect for a bloke who was MORE than happy to help ANYONE that walked through his door.

[dave06]

I'm pretty sure ##### (which turned into ##### after franchise problems)was there long before Malaga aquariums.
I think it's unfair to blame ##### for the unfortunate closure of kevs shop.
I am neutral in this, but to be fair I have only had positive experiences in dealing with ##### since it opened.
Furthermore I reckon they're being abit misrepresented in this thread and several others.
Cmon guys this isn't how we should welcome new sponsors of our club.

[Terry]

PCS sponsors used know what they were talking about and were able to solve all your problems with the equipment that you bought from a supermarket style shop. Now that has changed, if the sponsor doesn't know fish where do you go for advice?
If the PCS endorses a shop it should know the basics.
"Wtb Tinfoil Barbs
We would like to find a breeder"

In my opinion this is very sad

[Peckoltia]

Isn't the PCS against the promotion of hybrids?

http://www.#####.com.au/Fish.htm

Always plenty of Flowerhorns being sold at #####, even a link to a flowerhorn website at the bottom of their website. Seems a little contradictory to me that a club that is so against hybrids would take on a sponsor who so obviously promotes the sale and keeping of such fish.

Food for thought,

Alex

[Riggers]

This is starting to sound like a school yard bitchathon......

[Sarah Jayne]

everyone has a right to voice their opinions without being bitchy. is possibility of moving the topic to the club members section? before it 404s (locks)

[Craig]

[fourdapostle]

Possibly sponsers could be agreed upon by the club members before they are given a place on our web, here me out now, don't eat me yet. Our club must be presented as a prestigeous organisation and selective on those that want to come online so to speak with us and not just finance backer.
I know we voted you guys on the committee to carry out and discharge the necessary duties to run the club, but why and whose dicision was it to bring on new sponsers without going to the membership, or is that going against club protocol.
When I appoint people on our board the names of those nominated by me, go to the members for anything that may be known about a person, what they do, did or are doing or what they don't know.
If it is deemed that the '10' on the committee make all the decisions, my question is why. Why not change the policy of the club, because I am sure members know more about shops etc around the place, and if they inform the committee of their concerns then you the committee can make informed decisions for the club and then give your reasons and go for it. After all as a non prophit organization there is protcol isn't there?
I am not trying to go here or there, and back anyone, but we do need to put into place certain requirements to become part of our prestigous club and sponsers....
All just my opinion......ok...

Edited by fourdapostle, 12 January 2012 - 10:41 PM.

[CCA001]

I dont see why it should be moved as everyone that uses this forum should have an opinion on it past and present members.

Most of the PCS sponsors you will find wont BUY in hybrids from breeders but sometimes they get them from tradeins or people moving over east this i see as acceptable, but if you are buying in flowerhorns from suppliers and other fish that are supposedly illegal in Western Australia it doesnt seem to set the right example of what the PCS is all about.

When the PCS is trying to work with the government on the grey list and other things do you really think it is a good idea to be associated with a store sponsor or non sponsor that is keeping things and selling them when the club is suppose to be against this.

Just my thoughts on the matter but this is something that need consideration.

Plus what is to stop any other stores that sell garden supplies, plants, pool chemicals and so forth from approaching in becoming a sponsor i thought the club would try to stick to fish only stores as this is what that store specializes in.

Sorry but just my thoughts on that matter aswell.

[scottyhooton]

For the record there are plenty of sponsors that sell flower horns

[bradfitzy]

This has zero to do with sponsor ship $.
##### approched us and were in talks about sponsorship before malaga aquariums closed down.
Dont use location and donations as the base of your arguement as it is a load of crap.
I personally agree that in the perfect world all fish store employees would know everything about fish but face facts that that is just not a reality at any store.
Alex maybe you should have a look at what your saying mate... how many stores can you name that dont sell hybrids.... even though it has been coved a thousand times before i will say it again we can only control our club and this forum if the members would like the pcs to remove all sponsors that have a hybrid fish in them then there would be no sponsors.

Sponsorship applications are disscussed at length and quite often takes months to get to a stage where all the pros and cons have been discussed and a vote is held ... of course majority rules with the voting.

We cant please everyone in the club and the majority of things we vote on are a split decission between the cm.... if any member has concerns about any topics todo with the club or the forum then we are very open to hearing them....... if you decide to voice your concerns and breach the t+c then mods will deal with it accordingly. It is really very simple follow the rules and have no problems break the rules and your post will be deleted.

[Wet Dreams]

I think a majority vote by financial members may be the way to go in the future for topics such as deciding on new sponsors.

But i also agree with what everyone else has said about the flowerhorn issue with the shop, when i noticed it i thought it seemed pretty contradictory and doesnt set a good image for the club. Yes there are a few shops that may sell flowerhorns from time to time but majority dont actively promote them.

Not trying to start anymore tention just having my 2c.

[bradfitzy]

Plus what is to stop any other stores that sell garden supplies, plants, pool chemicals and so forth from approaching in becoming a sponsor i thought the club would try to stick to fish only stores as this is what that store specializes in.

You mean like the many good years of sposership we had with midland..... a pet store not a dedicated aquarium shop?
The cm is what is to stop any store becoming a sponser and the process of debate and discussion and a vote.

[Peckoltia]

Alex maybe you should have a look at what your saying mate... how many stores can you name that dont sell hybrids.... even though it has been coved a thousand times before i will say it again we can only control our club and this forum if the members would like the pcs to remove all sponsors that have a hybrid fish in them then there would be no sponsors

I understand that stores may sell hybrids from time to time. I have seen VERY few hybrids sold from 'old school' LFS sponsors. I just find it VERY strange that the PCS will fight with white hot passion to even stop the discussion/sale of hybrids on the forum, then take on a sponsor who promotes the sale of hybrids to the point where there is a large banner for a flowerhorn website on their own. Even more so that the Flowerhorn site promoted belongs to someone who did their best to enable the discussion of flowerhorns on this site. Someone who was shot down in flames.

My 2 cents, I have nothing more to add.

Alex

[CCA001]

They had a DEDICATED fishroom with specialist people in there who are or had been breeders before and could point you in the right direction of what will breed for you what is hard to breed what is a rare fish in the trade in W.A and so forth.

That fishroom is what i would say was a store on its own just it was apart of the one store.

I think apart from one other sponsor all the PCS sponsors are dedicated aquarium stores. Even Pet Magic has a very reputable person running there fish area. I know we were all young once and had to learn, but if i was a store owner i wouldn't be letting a 16 or 17 year old be posting unless i had authorized the post just to avoid my lifeline from becoming a laughing stock. Once again i am not pointing the finger as it may sound like it.

Im talking about stores like the brown and orange chain stores who sell everything and everything apart from clothes and food for the fridge or freezer. You go in there as a general customer and ask them soem very basic questions they look at you with a blank face and try to bluff there way through it. All the time you are thinking what the hell.

Take for instance i went into a store and said look those fish have nice white spots on them there reply it must be a new type of that fish they look nice tho dont they. It was actually white spot and most off the tanks had it.

Im not saying all the stores are like this but maybe before they become a place becomes a sponsor we see if they are able to fulfill a type of checklist maybe.

Im not saying this to bag out ######## or anything as i havent been in there for about 2 years, i a saying it as a general thing.

PHEWWWW i think thats it peace out all and HAPPY FISH KEEPING to all