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[cichlid hunter]

One thing I have learnt is not to post on this site again, even though I was just trying to be helpfull!

[Den]

There have been various publications in aquarium magazines that state the marbled peakock is a hybrid. I cant tell you exacly which one and which month, but it is definitely in my collection of over 150 aquarium magazines.

[Tucunare]

this is a nice debate. a question pop up though
1. can we sell discus on here?.
i reckon neil if your into em then good on ya, i am a fan of hybrids myself, which is not to say id ever breed em or sell em but id much prefer a flwerhorn over an aulonocara anyday of the week. now that would make alot of the people on here very angry and a few would agree with me , i guess its what keeps the world spinnin mate. at the end of the day if you like em and wanna keep em then great.
i think theres no right or wrong here just opinions which is great
steve
ps there now offering flowerhorn x parrots in asia 8O 8O 8O

[cobby]

Thanks Steve

When i first got them it was because i liked the look of them

That has not changed now i know they are a hybrid

Just something i have learned along the way

Regards Neil

[Fox]

ps there now offering flowerhorn x parrots in asia 8O 8O 8O

LMAO now thats Xing to the extreme.

Any pics Steve?

How's your sleeping BTW?

[Mr_docfish]

There have been various publications in aquarium magazines that state the marbled peakock is a hybrid. I cant tell you exacly which one and which month, but it is definitely in my collection of over 150 aquarium magazines.

One problem with some publications (particularly news papers and mags) is they regurgitate the same info we all hear and read elsewhere. Is there anyone that can give us more detail into when, where or who did this X'ing?
Even Ad quoted "probably from a hybrid between ..." so even he hasn't got the backup info to be sure.
Funny thing is this post from Cichlid-forum.com
http://www.cichlid-f.../ob_peacock.php
They state "It was engineered by crossing a male Aulonocara species with an OB female mbuna, at least initially."
How did they know even the sex of the individuals involved initially? Do they know more than the rest of us? Maybe someone using that forum can ask Marc Elieson how he got that information. (or which book he read that in ....just kidding :wink:)

It would be good to get this settled one day, but at the end of the day, the OB variant in Australia is so mixed now regardless.

doc

Edited by Mr_docfish, 06 June 2011 - 11:04 PM.

[Den]

Mr Doc fish I was just stating that the obvious has been written about and known in the industry since its arrival.

The article you point to seems more based on the ethics of hybrids and not written for the purpose of detailing into the ancestor origins of them.

If you have the time to mount a thorough investigation that finds the exact species used to create this hybrid well good luck, Im sure there will be someone in the world who cares just kidding :roll: . For me I'm just happy to accept the obvious that this fish is a hybrid and move on.

[cichlidnut]

Look thanks for all the feedback hope it wasn't taken the wrong way i was merely wanting to find out more and thought that someone on the forum would be able to give some more info on the fish its self but i have been reading up a little and if i find out anymore on the sp i will post it. The forum is for trading info yes :roll:

P.S And i do prefer tru sp and breed a few myself but i still like to learn more about the fish we can access as hobbyists

[cobby]

cichlidnut wrote

The forum is for trading info yes

Hit The Nail On The Head My freind

Regards Cobby

[Mr_docfish]

Mr Doc fish I was just stating that the obvious has been written about and known in the industry since its arrival.

The article you point to seems more based on the ethics of hybrids and not written for the purpose of detailing into the ancestor origins of them.

If you have the time to mount a thorough investigation that finds the exact species used to create this hybrid well good luck, Im sure there will be someone in the world who cares just kidding :roll: . For me I'm just happy to accept the obvious that this fish is a hybrid and move on.

I am not agreeing/disagreeing with the fact that it is a hybrid, see my first post on this thread, I only wanted to stick up for cichlidnut. And at the same time there seems to be a bit of 'hearsay' in this fact, and rather than letting it go, I would like to find out more about it. Can't there be a possibility that it might have come from inbreeding, like albinos, even a hint maybe?
Once upon a time, the world was flat, the sun revolved around the Earth.......(maybe not the right examples, but I can't think of any better ones at the moment.)

I'm just keeping all options open, though I am of the firm belief that it is a hybrid, I just want more detail to confirm this, and I think this is the same for people like cichlidnut.

For now, we must wait until someone can prove where marble peacocks came from, but do give them a chance.

doc

Edited by Mr_docfish, 06 June 2011 - 11:02 PM.

[Kimbo]

Guilty until proven innocent

[Den]

Many that Ive seen in shops in groups that appear to have come from the same supply batch I can say were definetly crossed with OB or BB Metraclima, you need to look at a group of them, as individuals vary in shape and some show a more peacock shape and some show an almost zebra shape in body and head. After keeping Malawi fish about 18 years I can say I feel confident in my judgement on what I've seen and read. When/if this shoal grow up I suspect you will get some juveniles that will resemble a shape more towards one species than the other which will give away their origins.

PS Kimbo you made me laugh

[cobby]

Interesting Den when they are big enough i will get some pics

Plan on keeping them as i am interested to find out how they look

Might be a while before i can get some pics though

They seem to be thriving at the moment

Regards Cobby